EVE General Discussion

Look, if people played 'correctly' it should not be so easy guaranteed ISK for gankers. It's definitely noy game mechanics issue, but player stupidity issue.

Instead of high sec freighter through known pipes, the same hauler could have taken jump freighter route, in which case anyone wishing to gank that will have to gank it at low sec transit with all the usual low sec risk attached to it. Such thinga do happen though, drive-by doomsday, gank super, bump rorqual, etc, which all increases the ISK put on field significantly for the gankers.

Or one could have decided to run Blockade Runner, and realistically that would mean gankers having to take random chance (i.e. Completely unknown reward) or if they can't catch you at undock then suicide smartbombing BS ships.

There is absolutely no reason to move multi-billion ISK cargo in a freighter with no support through known high sec gank pipes.

Only scenarios I can think of are for Fortizar/Keepstars, but you go read up on what kind of fleet ops people have arranged to move the first keepstar - THAT is respectable preparation in moving such high value cargo.

The reason the 'reward' for courier is so low is because people do not respect their work and risk and cargo value.

There are many ways to move high value cargos with extra cost and time and preparation, which will require gankers to put in 10+ times more effort. The highest cargo value I moved personally (not on his toon obviously) was 25b ISK worth cargo through a LOT of jumps, and it needed planning and waiting and coordination.

Gankers have low risk (as in low cost) in known pipes because people insist on being lazy or cheap, and I repeat, not having respect for the game mechanics and cargo they are carrying and duh... Gankers. If one considers CODE. And friends as low-lif scum of high sec, then surely you can do better than get killed by such low-life scums?

Haulers could try not doing dumb shite like afking high value cargos through chokepoints; not being a worthwhile target because I have a (R)isk limit and pay attention to what I'm doing, generally means that they pick a dumb schmuck over me, from my perspective that's as good as stopping them. There's a reason the professional haulers have a limit on the isk value of their cargo.

Blowing up a ship injects isk into the game via insurance.

So you got nothing. As I said. Yes, yes "logic" but here is the thing the reason people study data is because there are counter intuitive results.

Wow, I am aware of a certain number of freighter gankers who became super rich from their activities, I am surprised at you saying that you are unaware of such people....

It is still game balance, ganking in hisec is low risk and very high rewards and affects the game massively.

This is not about a small number of dimwits stuffing a load of plex into a shuttle, nice try at deflection...

No he does not.

And it is a result of stupid players--freighter pilots who over fill their freighters. They are creating the massive reward.

Solution: remove freighters from the game.

And by the way you are flat out wrong on the low risk.

While the gankers have low risk, the freighter pilots have massive risk.

Holy ****, can't believe I had to explain that.

Most people who talk about risk-reward don't have a ******* clue what they are talking about.

And a few PLEX to afford.

So each one of these things shrinks the numbers of those newbies who are ganked. Think of a Venn diagram and each of those conditions is a smaller circle inside the circle of those who would be ganked.

How many are we actually talking about? Nobody knows, but here we have some bad posters trying to make the case against ganking the imprudent and foolish....because of the newbies!!!

Please.

And, lets look at these newbies who buy skill injectors and PLEX to get that brand new shiny freighter on day one. What does he do with it? He doesn't have lots of stuff to haul. So he starts doing courier contracts?

And gets ganked.

This is like a guy who hears about how people make money, sometimes lots of it in the stock market. He decides he wants in. So he takes $50,000 and starts investing and 2 months later is down to $15,000.

Why? Probably because he was a newbie and was foolish and imprudent and didn't sit down an think:

Those people who make money in the stock market, do they know stuff I don't know? Yes.
Those people who make money in the stock market, have they been doing it a long time? Yes.
Might those people who make money in the stock market have learned things I can't learn from a book, video, or other source? Yes.

So, our intrepid investor has lost money because he...jumped into the deep end without first learning to swim.

Boo fricking hoo.

No income is being creating, income is being redistributed.

Why are you surprised? Why should i know every freighter ganker and their balance sheets?

Would you like to share the names and your estimates of the ganking ISK/h of these players you refer to?

But given amounts of accounts and time needed to gank freighters I would be very surprised if it was more lucrative in terms of ISK/h/account than running level 4 missions. I mean people also get super rich from mining in highsec if they spend enough hours and run enough accounts doing it.

From everything I have seen, in almost all cases a player is far better running incursions for an hour or level 4 missions than trying to pirate for an hour. Ganking to make ISK is not reliable, or even lucrative most of the time. The only possible exceptions might be the Miniluv model of sending out pings when a whale is found, but that isn't an option for most players and small groups.