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CCP Kill AFKING-Summer Expansion 2012 Campaign

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Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#341 - 2012-01-17 18:26:17 UTC
You dont even make this hard you know....
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#342 - 2012-01-17 19:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Another glorious day of afk cloaking for me. I love botter tears. There is no way to change cloaking without redesigning the game in its entirety including covert ops ships. I recommend ignoring this thread as its destiny is the same as the rest, oblivion. I do like the OP's frustration though. Knowing he wants a security upgrade for his nullsec ratting and that he can never be given it, delicious.

Check the anticloak threads through search, not a single dev response and yours won't get one either.

The devs are afk cloakers. =)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#343 - 2012-01-17 19:28:04 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Please point me to the bug and or exploit.
While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit.

I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit.

Thank you kindly. Cool


Just because noone has never brought it in that light before.Everyone trying to point it out was after a while so angry by the trolling tha his post had no much sense anymore....
Also I dont need to be an employee know what CCP thinks about expolits mate.Its right there on the EULA....
Do you honestly think you're the first to try and use the EULA to try and justify your ideals in regards to AFKing? Just because you think it's an exploit, doesn't make it so. I think you'll find that's CCP's job.

CCP bans people for using exploits. But I'll take it from the lack of a list of banned players from you, that they have never classed AFKing with cloaks, as an exploit. So you obviously don't really know what CCP thinks in that regard now, do you? Blink

Ghost of Truth wrote:
You dont even make this hard you know....
What you do make hard, is actually trying to understand most of what you post. May I suggest you calm down a little and take your time when replying. That way we'll all have the benefit of your wonderful insights. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#344 - 2012-01-17 21:13:42 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:

This Logic is so broken that my brain wants to commit suicide.


We live in hope..we live in hope! Lol

Assuming your brain chooses otherwise, I highly recommend it takes some classes in reasoning. Try your local college or uni, and look for intro classes in the Philosophy department.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2012-01-17 21:22:16 UTC
http://eve-search.com/thread/574551

At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

JM Nosnam
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-01-18 15:02:48 UTC
On the afk cloaking, how about a marker which appears on a characters name in the local chat list if he/she hasn't been active (ie clicked on anything) for the last 5 minutes or so? This could surely help all who are annoyed about it.

I've not read the whole topic (17 pages), so if its already been suggested I apologise Smile
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#347 - 2012-01-18 15:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
JM Nosnam wrote:
On the afk cloaking, how about a marker which appears on a characters name in the local chat list if he/she hasn't been active (ie clicked on anything) for the last 5 minutes or so? This could surely help all who are annoyed about it.

I've not read the whole topic (17 pages), so if its already been suggested I apologise Smile


this is equivalent to removing them from local anyways. But this is not a good one, this nerfs afk cloaking, which is the only "counter" to local available. The idea behind afk cloaking is to mitigate the information to the hostile given by local about your activity. With such kind of marker everyone would know you are not active at all and so no danger. The lack of that information as it is now is exactly why afk cloaking is effective and fullfil its intended purpose of local subversion.
corvus acanum
The Exiled Titans
Two Vargurs one Hole
#348 - 2012-01-18 18:17:01 UTC
I vote that cloaks have a time limit if they are on for more then say a hour at a time or so they automatically turn off.
Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#349 - 2012-01-18 23:52:25 UTC
I'm just wondering how in the hell do you know if I am AFK or not?

Maybe I like to Role Play that my Manticore or Falcon is running extremely in depth scans of your station or pos, to the extent that I am too busy to in fact speak to you on the local communications bands?

Perhaps you are just a bit too weary of a single cloaky ship sitting around. Maybe you have been mercilessly raped by a cloaky ship lying in wait. Maybe he didn't use the right amount of lube on you, or perhaps not any lube at all. Whatever the case might be, keep posting OP, I want to watch you cry.
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#350 - 2012-01-19 05:03:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
http://eve-search.com/thread/574551

At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting.


This!

To the OP. Why do you think your post is any different from the dozens of others which pose against AFK cloaking.

Sorry you really want a counter? Doesn't take a "on ready" fleet to action. You have one pilot (just the one) probing all of the time. Active pilots are rotated through duty. (set a timetable). Cloaker makes a mistake, and he is toast. Might make some of them nervous and stop or move elsewhere. You might get lucky. Whatever.
met worst
Doomheim
#351 - 2012-01-19 05:13:54 UTC
Posting to get out of the notifications. Roll

Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#352 - 2012-01-19 05:58:55 UTC
No matter how you package this ridiculous argument... all I am ultimately reading is:

"I am scared of someone in local who is cloaked and may or may not be AFK. So CCP plz nerf... er... AFK...?"
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#353 - 2012-01-19 21:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Katie Frost wrote:
No matter how you package this ridiculous argument... all I am ultimately reading is:

"I am scared of someone in local who is cloaked and may or may not be AFK. So CCP plz nerf... er... AFK...?"


Then you havent read even a single post of mine in my thread, Do you think I am a Friggin Hulk Miner with no Fangs?
Or that I dont hate botters for the easy mode when I have to bust my a*s all day in the anomalies to get by?.But what is fair is fair.They can stay there forever and do their work indefentely, Local or no friggin local.That is invulnerability, and it is exploitable.End of frigin story.
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#354 - 2012-01-19 21:08:17 UTC
GetSirrus wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
http://eve-search.com/thread/574551

At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting.


This!

To the OP. Why do you think your post is any different from the dozens of others which pose against AFK cloaking.

Sorry you really want a counter? Doesn't take a "on ready" fleet to action. You have one pilot (just the one) probing all of the time. Active pilots are rotated through duty. (set a timetable). Cloaker makes a mistake, and he is toast. Might make some of them nervous and stop or move elsewhere. You might get lucky. Whatever.


So i have to set my whole Corp on line, have Pvers to cover ALL teh miners, and have a pilot do a tedious job all the time, for when and if a frigate pilot wil decide to make a mistake?And even then he can bring instanly a whole alliance right in the middle of my pvp fleet whith so low of a cost?And that sounds balanced?
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#355 - 2012-01-19 21:13:06 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
http://eve-search.com/thread/574551

At least 5 years of "AFK Cloaker" whining, and no indication that I've found that CCP considers it "an exploit". In short, you're a whining crybabby, and you should stop posting.


well if you decide to read teh dev blogs.THAT was the problem all those years with eve, not fixing those nuisances., so I keep my hope up.Thay are trying to FIX the game.Lets hope they do it this time.And understand that the problem whas not from all those 'VETERANS that rage all day on the forums', but all the other players that didnt make a fuss all those years and freaked out in the summer.Becasue we dont want just Internet Spaceships.We want a good game to spend our money to.
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#356 - 2012-01-19 21:14:43 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Please point me to the bug and or exploit.
While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit.

I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit.

Thank you kindly. Cool


Just because noone has never brought it in that light before.Everyone trying to point it out was after a while so angry by the trolling tha his post had no much sense anymore....
Also I dont need to be an employee know what CCP thinks about expolits mate.Its right there on the EULA....
Do you honestly think you're the first to try and use the EULA to try and justify your ideals in regards to AFKing? Just because you think it's an exploit, doesn't make it so. I think you'll find that's CCP's job.

CCP bans people for using exploits. But I'll take it from the lack of a list of banned players from you, that they have never classed AFKing with cloaks, as an exploit. So you obviously don't really know what CCP thinks in that regard now, do you? Blink

Ghost of Truth wrote:
You dont even make this hard you know....
What you do make hard, is actually trying to understand most of what you post. May I suggest you calm down a little and take your time when replying. That way we'll all have the benefit of your wonderful insights. Big smile



the EULA is a two party agreement.CCP or a PLAYER can call on to that.Just FYI.
Santiago Fahahrri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#357 - 2012-01-19 21:20:41 UTC
One of the things I really like about Eve is the ability to go AFK, sometimes for extended periods. I consider it a feature and a good one.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#358 - 2012-01-19 21:22:15 UTC
If you can call on the EULA to get an afk cloaker banned for afk cloaking, please provide evidence and I will give you a cookie.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-

Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#359 - 2012-01-19 21:24:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
If you can call on the EULA to get an afk cloaker banned for afk cloaking, please provide evidence and I will give you a cookie.


Prepare the cookie pot then.Becasue that is what i am doing..

edit:I cant ban a player of course..But I can call CCP that there they broke the EULA by not enforcing the quality clauses listed there, or not informing for its comapny position for a perceived, by my part, infrigment of the EULA.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#360 - 2012-01-19 21:28:08 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
If you can call on the EULA to get an afk cloaker banned for afk cloaking, please provide evidence and I will give you a cookie.


Prepare the cookie pot then.Becasue that is what i am doing..

No, you're not.

If CCP adds an anti-cloaking ship or whatever it is they end up doing, that's well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that it isn't an exploit and hasn't been considered one since the game was first released, no matter how much you're being a whiny crybabby about it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat