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New player trying mission running

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Kzaji
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-09-17 09:59:42 UTC
Hi,

I'm trying the various things in Eve to get a feel for what I like, I've done the agent starter missions, done the SoE epic arc (on another account) and tried null sec exploration so far. Now I'd like to try mission running to earn some ISK but I'm a little confused.

So far, I've done a few missions for a Caldari corp but I've heard not to run Caldari missions because the loot/salvage sucks. So then I looked at Amaar, but I keep seeing SoE is preferable because of it's high ISK/hr. Then there's all the LP stuff, storyline missions, faction missions, and, well, it's just a tad overwhelming. I've read lots, but still know very little.

So question is, as a super noob who doesn't really know what they want to do yet, but does want to do things efficiently (not waste time doing anything that won't be the most useful in the long run), who for and where should I be running missions? I would prefer a nice mission hub, close to a trade hub, that lets me get to L4 missions quickly and doesn't have much traveling/low-sec stuff.

Thanks.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-09-17 10:37:17 UTC
There are basically two reasons for running missions. Standing increase and profit. For standing you want to run for the corps owning your preferred trade hub (Caldari Navy in case of Jita), in order to decrease trading fees. If it's for profit and fun only, SoE is a good pick. But as you expierienced nullsec exploration, you should know that highsec mission running nets you only about half what you can earn from null relic sites, if you only look at ISK. Though there are some highly optimized setups with a high upfront investment including burner missions which may come close.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2016-09-17 10:48:11 UTC
0.0 missions can also be very lucrative, but you need to accept that you'll be writing off your standings to at least one and usually two empire factions. If the idea of not using your main character to operate in, say, Gallente and Minmatar hi-sec is acceptable to you, then Angel or Serpentis missions are great earners.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-09-17 10:57:41 UTC
use this tool to work out what is profitable:

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

click the "i've read and understood" and start looking at corps and their LP stores

You want to take a look at items that not only have good LP/ISK ratio but also ones that move regularly. No point buying stuff that only sells once a week. I believe the stat for this is 5% volume

SoE is a steady earner, nowhere near as good as it once was because it's being overfarmed (astero dropping from 90mil to 50 in a year)

Thukker is great lp/isk ratio but annoying to mission for and the cap batteries move quite slowly.

Some corps sell blueprint copies that can be quite lucrative, I used to mission for 5 run copies of federation navy stasis webifiers and build+sell them.

High sec missioning isn't all that great but once you get everything down to a science and stuff is as efficient as possible, you can make some respectable money doing it.
Kzaji
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-09-17 12:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kzaji
Thanks.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to lose standing with the empire just yet, maybe once I get the hang of things, or perhaps on another character.

I'm a bit lost with the LP stuff, I was just expecting to earn enough to get by with bounties, loot/salvage and rewards from L4 missions, as I had read in other threads. Though they were dated, is this no longer a possibility?

Null sec exploration was okay, but I got tired of scanning sigs down to find another WH, and when eventually finding a relic site I often failed hacks. Probably a lack of skills but as a taster, I got pretty bored.

I was just looking at eve-agents and saw that the Theology council has a few multiple agents for each level mission, was going to run them. Is there any reason not to and to instead do SoE? Is SoE much different? Their agents are more spread out.

Edit: On my way to Rens. Seems like a good place to run missions from. I think.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-09-17 12:28:27 UTC
LP is the lion's share of the income now. Salvage is pitiful and loot is mostly bad unless you run against empire and pick up tags. Bounties and mission rewards are largely insignificant.

You want to pick the corp you run for based on how much the LP will net you and that's the main reason why SoE is so popular since their LP has stable prices and is always in demand.
Kzaji
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-09-17 12:36:45 UTC
Ah, there's so much stuff on the web from years back, hard to tell what's still relevant.

Do you think it's worth doing the SoE Epic arc again on this character for standing or just go straight into the L1 missions and work from there? Obviously don't get LP from the arc, but not sure if it raises standing significantly faster.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2016-09-17 12:38:39 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
Thanks.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to lose standing with the empire just yet, maybe once I get the hang of things, or perhaps on another character.

I'm a bit lost with the LP stuff, I was just expecting to earn enough to get by with bounties, loot/salvage and rewards from L4 missions, as I had read in other threads. Though they were dated, is this no longer a possibility?

Null sec exploration was okay, but I got tired of scanning sigs down to find another WH, and when eventually finding a relic site I often failed hacks. Probably a lack of skills but as a taster, I got pretty bored.

I was just looking at eve-agents and saw that the Theology council has a few multiple agents for each level mission, was going to run them. Is there any reason not to and to instead do SoE? Is SoE much different? Their agents are more spread out.

Edit: On my way to Rens. Seems like a good place to run missions from. I think.


A very significant fraction of your mission reward will usually come from LPs, especially as you progress to Level 4s. There are exceptions, but generally the biggest part of the mission reward is the LP value. Some LP stores are most definitely better than others.

Be careful when looking at the Fuzzworks LP calculator; it can mislead you into thinking that certain items have an extraordinarily high LP value. These are almost invariably worthless items that are used for margin trading scams because they have a ~0 turnover: no one wants to buy these items for the item itself. Be sceptical of anything from a hi-sec LP store that has a value of more than ~1500 ISK per LP.

Finally, many of the best selling LP store items require tags from opposing empire factions. Like yourself, most mission runners are cautious about losing empire standing. This means that those who do take that plunge are operating in a sellers market; "tag missions" (eg: Enemies Abound) are very lucrative for that reason. I mentioned pirate missions; I run Angel missions for my money, and even though Angel LP are currently almost worthless, I made very good ISK indeed farming tags to sell in empire.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-09-17 12:52:31 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
Ah, there's so much stuff on the web from years back, hard to tell what's still relevant.

Do you think it's worth doing the SoE Epic arc again on this character for standing or just go straight into the L1 missions and work from there? Obviously don't get LP from the arc, but not sure if it raises standing significantly faster.



Definitely worth doing. Just make sure you're picking the correct empire faction you want to get standings with at the end (i believe it's gallente for SoE)

training social skills to a mid level will also help with standings, should completely skip level 1s with connections 3 or so
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-09-17 13:12:29 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
Thanks.

I'm pretty sure I don't want to lose standing with the empire just yet, maybe once I get the hang of things, or perhaps on another character.

There is no way to totally avoid this. You can only pick and choose your level of standing loss. There is such a thing as derived standings which means that most factions in Eve have a relationship with most other factions that is expressed in a number that is either positive or negative. If you look at the show info on any corp you can click on the faction and then see the show info on the faction. Go to the standings tab and you will see their relationship with other factions.

If you look at Caldari State they are -2.0 with Minmatar Republic and -5.0 with Gallente Federation. That means for every 1.0 increase in Caldari Standing that you Achieve you will go down with Minmatar by 0.2 and down with Gallente by 0.5. However Caldari has a 7.0 standing towards Amarr empire but Amarr only has a 5.0 with Caldari which means the same 1.0 increase in Caldari will get you 0.5 increase with Amarr but a 1.0 increase with Amarr will get you a 0.7 increase with Caldari. That is assuming that I am reading all the "<" and ">" correctly.

Something also worth noting is that all standings increases are expressed as a percentage of the difference from where you are to perfect which is 10. So at zero the percentage is equal to the increase if you move the decimal one place. Lower than zero and you move faster and higher than zero and you move slower.

So if you study one of the standings charts that are out there you can do things like run missions for SoE which give you decent increase with Gal and Mini while barely scratching your Amarr / Caldari standings and then run some Amarr or Caldari missions to balance it out for example.

Also note that only storyline missions affect your faction standings when you turn them in and only faction standings have this relationship. However non-storyline missions can be faction kill missions meaning running missions for a faction's Navy they will occasionally ask you to kill an opposing faction's ships. In many cases you will receive a faction hit for each ship killed.

Also each empire faction has an epic arc mission line which are almost a free pass on the negative standings hit to opposing factions but can only be run once every 90 days or so.
Kzaji wrote:

I'm a bit lost with the LP stuff, I was just expecting to earn enough to get by with bounties, loot/salvage and rewards from L4 missions, as I had read in other threads. Though they were dated, is this no longer a possibility?

In most cases looting / Salvaging isn't worth the time. If you want max isk / hour you speed run missions. Completing as many as possible in as short a time as possible to get the most LP. For me I enjoy looting and salvaging so I always loot and salvage but I am more concerned with fun than max isk.
Kzaji wrote:

Null sec exploration was okay, but I got tired of scanning sigs down to find another WH, and when eventually finding a relic site I often failed hacks. Probably a lack of skills but as a taster, I got pretty bored.

I was just looking at eve-agents and saw that the Theology council has a few multiple agents for each level mission, was going to run them. Is there any reason not to and to instead do SoE? Is SoE much different? Their agents are more spread out.

Skills will help with hacking but also flying the right ship and having the right mods helps. Further learning what you are doing helps a bit also as those little numbers that pop up mean something and if you learn how to read them you can get better at it.

IDK anything about Theology council. SoE has good isk to LP because they don't have that many high sec combat agents and they have really good stuff in the LP store. They are technically a pirate faction that exists in high sec. The four main empire factions give out lots of LP through faction warfare so their prices get a little diluted by that.

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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#11 - 2016-09-17 14:46:09 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
Hi,

I'm trying the various things in Eve to get a feel for what I like, I've done the agent starter missions, done the SoE epic arc (on another account) and tried null sec exploration so far. Now I'd like to try mission running to earn some ISK but I'm a little confused.

So far, I've done a few missions for a Caldari corp but I've heard not to run Caldari missions because the loot/salvage sucks. So then I looked at Amaar, but I keep seeing SoE is preferable because of it's high ISK/hr. Then there's all the LP stuff, storyline missions, faction missions, and, well, it's just a tad overwhelming. I've read lots, but still know very little.

So question is, as a super noob who doesn't really know what they want to do yet, but does want to do things efficiently (not waste time doing anything that won't be the most useful in the long run), who for and where should I be running missions? I would prefer a nice mission hub, close to a trade hub, that lets me get to L4 missions quickly and doesn't have much traveling/low-sec stuff.

Thanks.


There are quite a few variables when it comes to choosing which npc corp to do missions for, so if you want to do it "right" it's going to take a bit of searching and correlating different types of info.


1) make sure that the faction you choose fits the ship choices you make. Both your tanking type as your damage types should mesh well with the npc you tend to fight. An obvious way is to stick to your own faction, Caldari ships do really well in Caldari space, Amarr ships do really well in Amarr space etc etc. Some mixing works well, Caldari doing Gallente and vice versa, Minmatar doing pretty much everything. But some mixes don't work well at all, for instance Caldari will have more trouble doing Amarr missions and using an Amarr laser ship outside Amarr space is going to suck.

2) decide if you're fine with losing faction standing to a point where you lose access to pretty much half of high sec. If it's a mission runner alt or missions is the only thing you do or perhaps that character simply never goes to high sec then you won't care but otherwise it's going to be an issue. There's several ways to battle this, one is to pick an npc corp that doesn't really get you bad standings to begin with, another might be to switch "sides" ever so often (which depends on if your chosen ship faction mixes well, see above). Or you simply choose an npc corp that doesn't get you a ton of faction missions, the main navy corps per faction gets you lots of faction missions, stuff like Caldari Navy or Republic Fleet should be avoided in that case.

3) mission rewards (isk and LP, NOT standing) are affected by the security status of the system the agent is in so if you do missions in high sec you REALLY want your agent to be in 0.5 sec. You gain some 7-10% rewards per 0.1 sec. On top of that you'd really like to have more than one agent so you can either avoid faction missions easier or to have one agent on farm status with a good mission while you use the other one for normal running.

4) security agents will always send you to a system within the same constellation (Distri agents will send you outside of the constellation) and they tend to send you to a quiet system within that constellation so if there's low sec in there, guess where he'll send you.

5) LP stores have different stuff and some things just sell or convert better than others, note that it's affected by the other players doing the same thing so what was good or true a while back, or even now, might not be true in the future.



So you want an npc corp that has agents in a faction of space that meshes well with your ships, that won't get you too many faction missions, with 1 or preferably more lvl 4 agents in a 0.5 system while NOT haveing low sec in that constellation. While having a good LP store.

Good luck :P



voetius
Grundrisse
#12 - 2016-09-17 17:11:16 UTC

I can't really add much to the good points above but Theology Council are one of the better Amarr corporations due to their LP store and that they have a system with two L4 agents in the same station (Sasoutikh is 0.5 sec status iirc).

For the highest LP/isk conversion Pirate corps (all based in null sec) are very good and they have their own epic arcs but require some ingame knowledge of how to survive in hostile space, so maybe look at that as a longer term goal.

In high sec, Thukker and Sisters of Eve are the two corps with most valuable LP. Those are followed by the science oriented corporations (often R&D corporations) like Hyasyoda (Caldari), Roden Shipyards (Gallente), etc.

You don't have to do storyline missions, but many do. But you can just decline all those if you want to (with no penalty) and as long as you don't do anti-faction missions you'll just get corporation standings and no loss to faction (but no increase either).
Kzaji
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-09-17 22:16:32 UTC
Thanks for the replies guys, super helpful stuff!

I've started SoE missions, didn't realise it would take so long to gain standing... But I've got some social skills and a new ship to speed things up. I'll look forward to looting/salvaging (I'm that kind of guy too) when I get to L3/4s :)

I'd like to run Amarr ones too assuming I don't screw up standings too much, but SoE first I guess.

Thanks again!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2016-09-18 00:30:36 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys, super helpful stuff!

I've started SoE missions, didn't realise it would take so long to gain standing...



Once you're over the hump of level 1s, you'll accelerate through the standings grind very quickly. It can take several days to get to L2s, but then only a couple of hours to get to L3s, and then only 6-9 L3 missions to get to L4s.

Always do the storyline missions if you can; not only do they increase your faction standings, they generally give you a very large standing boost to the corp that the storyline agent works for.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-09-18 00:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Hello and welcome to Eve.

First if you're gonna run missions you should train up Social and Connections skills asap. Social increases the amount of standing gained for completing missions and Connections increases the amount of your current positive standing.

Later if you start getting negative Faction standings train up Diplomacy skill to lower your current negative standings. Lastly you might as well train up Negotiation to increase the amount of ISK gained for completing missions.

Along with that you might as well train up the Divisional Connection skill specific to the Agent Division you'll be working - Security, Distribution, Mining - to increase the amount of Loyalty Points gained for completing the missions.

As others have said, if you want to maintain access to all of High Security space and not get negative standing hits for Faction ship kills, decline all regular missions that have you do combat against the main Empire Factions. Storyline missions will give both positive and negative derived standings so to help balance that out, alternate running 16 regular missions + Storyline missions for opposing Allied Empire Factions.

Amarr is allied with Caldari and Gallente is allied with Minmatar. If you do a set of missions with Amarr, do the next set with Minmatar to help balance standings. Same thing with Caldari and Gallente. Course if your Faction Standings get real bad, you can always run the Faction Standing Repair Plan aka 'The Plan' link in my Forum signature which will help a lot.

Good luck to you.


DMC
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#16 - 2016-09-18 15:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Going to go a different direction than most people here but first if you are going to run missions especially as a new to the game player you need this it contains lots of useful information about missions and many other aspects of EvE.
EvE Survival

If you think the most enjoyable way to spend your time in EvE is making as much ISK / LP as possible from everything you do then ignore the rest of what I have to say.

EvE should be about making ISK while doing something you enjoy and are having fun while doing it. Any and all PvE activities can get boring and running them in the same optimized ships / fits / tactics that makes the max ISK / LP work just emphasizes the boring nature of the PvE activities in this game. Things that can help take some of the boredom out of missions.
Move around, different agents will give you a different sub-set of the missions in the pool.
Try new and different ships.
Change your fits.
Try different tactics.
Full clear and loot salvage some missions while blitzing others.
Distribution missions can be fun because they can lead you on a roam through the EvE universe. Many distribution missions are a one way thing, you fly from A to B and drop something off. Instead of returning to your regular agent take a mission from any agent you can in the system you dropped stuff off in. Doing this I started just outside of Dodixie in Gallente space and ended the game session in Rens in Minmatar space. Got to see a lot of places I had never been to before and talked to a lot of other players in local along the way.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-09-19 01:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
I agree with Donnachadh,

Definitely need to mix it up to keep from getting bored or burned out.

And I also enjoyed doing Distribution missions and had Agents available at both pick-up and drop-off points. However I did it in a deadend pipeline of systems (one way in, one way out) which kept me in the same general area.


DMC
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#18 - 2016-09-19 22:49:21 UTC
If something flashy and yellow shows up in your mission, don't shoot it unless:
1: You don't care about losing your ship, and
2: You're really, really bored.

A signature :o

Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-09-25 15:49:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Be careful when looking at the Fuzzworks LP calculator; it can mislead you into thinking that certain items have an extraordinarily high LP value. These are almost invariably worthless items that are used for margin trading scams because they have a ~0 turnover: no one wants to buy these items for the item itself. Be sceptical of anything from a hi-sec LP store that has a value of more than ~1500 ISK per LP.


My suggestion is to look at the buy prices to decide which item to sell, as those are the items that people are wiling to buy.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-09-25 15:59:41 UTC
What kind of weapons are you planning to use in missions ?

The NPCs you'll need to shoot have varying resistances. Hit their weak spots and you'll kill them much faster.

If you're running projectiles, missiles or drones as your primary weapon, you can change your ammo type for the mission. If you're using hybrids or lasers you can't. For hybrids this isn't too bad, as kin/thermal damage is good for shooting most NPCs.

Lasers are a problem. They do EM/thermal damage. If the NPCs you're shooting have strong resistances against EM and thermal (eg, Angel Cartel), running missions against them will be very slow. Last I checked, the faction you're running missions for affects what NPCs you'll face.

Though you only have to worry about this when you hit level 3 or 4 missions.