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Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#61 - 2016-09-16 13:43:24 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
You have two fleshy hands.

Therefore, I am right.

Silence, pretender.


You are as blind in life as you are with your faith, heretic.
Diana Kim
Kenshin Katana.
#62 - 2016-09-16 15:03:08 UTC
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
You have two fleshy hands.

Therefore, I am right.

Silence, pretender.


You are as blind in life as you are with your faith, heretic.

I am not acquainted well in terms of religion and who of you are more heretic is not my concern.

However, Ilan Ardishapur, your forces have been spotted all through the Caldari State. Your vessels have been attacking Caldari State patrolling ships. Such an action can be considered either as a piracy or treason.

Maybe you are a GALLENTEAN LAPDOG, who was sent to our space?

In any way, for your crimes against Caldari State, all your trespassing vessels shall be destroyed. Soon you will be done with, pirate.

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#63 - 2016-09-16 15:17:08 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I am not acquainted well in terms of religion and who of you are more heretic is not my concern.

However, Ilan Ardishapur, your forces have been spotted all through the Caldari State. Your vessels have been attacking Caldari State patrolling ships. Such an action can be considered either as a piracy or treason.

Maybe you are a GALLENTEAN LAPDOG, who was sent to our space?

In any way, for your crimes against Caldari State, all your trespassing vessels shall be destroyed. Soon you will be done with, pirate.

Glory to the State!


Maybe these 'patrolling' State ships should stay clear of our cathedrals. You don't see holy purists roaming your gates or interfering with your trade.

Then again greed is a sin, a sin the Caldari and Catiz Tash-Murkon have in common. As you have no reason to visit these Cathedrals lest you seek to claim the bounties on the true servants of the empire.
Katerina Tzestu
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#64 - 2016-09-16 15:35:36 UTC
If you're going to invade a nation, at least be honest about it.
Diana Kim
Kenshin Katana.
#65 - 2016-09-16 15:43:53 UTC
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I am not acquainted well in terms of religion and who of you are more heretic is not my concern.

However, Ilan Ardishapur, your forces have been spotted all through the Caldari State. Your vessels have been attacking Caldari State patrolling ships. Such an action can be considered either as a piracy or treason.

Maybe you are a GALLENTEAN LAPDOG, who was sent to our space?

In any way, for your crimes against Caldari State, all your trespassing vessels shall be destroyed. Soon you will be done with, pirate.

Glory to the State!


Maybe these 'patrolling' State ships should stay clear of our cathedrals. You don't see holy purists roaming your gates or interfering with your trade.

Then again greed is a sin, a sin the Caldari and Catiz Tash-Murkon have in common. As you have no reason to visit these Cathedrals lest you seek to claim the bounties on the true servants of the empire.

Maybe you shouldn't dictate owners of souvereign space where they can check security and where they can't?

In our space we set the rules and we enforce them. Shall you break them - you will be eliminated. Your ships not only listed as pirates with bounties. Your ships also open fire first. And you WILL pay for your treason!

As for our reason to visit installation. First, that's not your business in the first place, because, yes. It is our space. And second. It is a warzone, and we are the fighting force in this warzone. We are going to all the places to look for gallentes. If you aren't hiding or collaborating with federal scum you have no reason to attack State vessels.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#66 - 2016-09-16 16:13:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
However, Ilan Ardishapur, your forces have been spotted all through the Caldari State. Your vessels have been attacking Caldari State patrolling ships. Such an action can be considered either as a piracy or treason.


Stuff

Your ships also open fire first. And you WILL pay for your treason!


Strictly speaking, Diana, Amarr who aren't State citizens can't commit treason against the State. Treason is specifically an act of a citizen against their own government. Actions against other governments are generally either acts of war, or espionage, or terrorism—which doesn't mean there aren't other crimes involved, too.

So, yeah, go blow 'em up for piracy, assault, tax evasion, jaywalking, whatever you like. It's just not 'treason'. Sorry.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2016-09-16 16:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Ilan Ardishapur, as someone who has supported "your" family through many years, as someone who once led a corporation commended by Lord Yonis, as someone who has flown under the colours of "your" house I have to say this: you are a disgrace to the name of Ardishapur.

That's if you really are an Ardishapur.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2016-09-16 16:47:16 UTC
UNLESS you could argue that an Ammarian taking an action that would put stress on the alliance between State and Empire is acting against the best interests of the Empire, treasonously.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#69 - 2016-09-16 16:55:03 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
UNLESS you could argue that an Ammarian taking an action that would put stress on the alliance between State and Empire is acting against the best interests of the Empire, treasonously.


Which Diana, as a Caldari Militia pilot, isn't empowered to mete out justice for.

(I do like that word... mete...)
Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#70 - 2016-09-16 17:03:09 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ilan Ardishapur, as someone who has supported "your" family through many years, as someone who once led a corporation commended by Lord Yonis, as someone who has flown under the colours of "your" house I have to say this: you are a disgrace to the name of Ardishapur.

That's if you really are an Ardishapur.


Your reputation is known, and well deserved; enough so that I will refrain from replying with spite. Watching devoted followers of the faith being led down a impure path is always difficult. I will pray for you.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#71 - 2016-09-16 17:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Arrendis wrote:

So, yeah, go blow 'em up for piracy, assault, tax evasion, jaywalking, whatever you like. It's just not 'treason'. Sorry.

Tax evasion: the highest crime in the State.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2016-09-16 18:32:14 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
[quote=Diana Kim]
So, yeah, go blow 'em up for piracy, assault, tax evasion, jaywalking, whatever you like. It's just not 'treason'. Sorry.

Tax evasion: the highest crime in the State.

Truly!

If you think about it, tax evasion is taking the benefits and not giving back your fair share. It's about the most un-Heiian thing you can do.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2016-09-16 18:35:18 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
[quote=Diana Kim]
So, yeah, go blow 'em up for piracy, assault, tax evasion, jaywalking, whatever you like. It's just not 'treason'. Sorry.

Tax evasion: the highest crime in the State.

Truly!

If you think about it, tax evasion is taking the benefits and not giving back your fair share. It's about the most un-Heiian thing you can do.


So, corp members who raise a fuzz about the existence of a corporate tax rate are scum?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#74 - 2016-09-16 19:02:52 UTC
It seems that it is possible to be so orthodox and conservative that one ends up with a metaphorical stack overflow and wraps back around to full heresy.

As much respect I have for Lord Yonis and the Ardishapur family, I admit I am unsurprised by the notion that this particular heretic supposedly hails from the same family that birthed the man who founded the Equilibrium of Mankind. I expect some housecleaning will be in order for Lord Arim in the coming months.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2016-09-16 20:14:41 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
[quote=Diana Kim]
So, yeah, go blow 'em up for piracy, assault, tax evasion, jaywalking, whatever you like. It's just not 'treason'. Sorry.

Tax evasion: the highest crime in the State.

Truly!

If you think about it, tax evasion is taking the benefits and not giving back your fair share. It's about the most un-Heiian thing you can do.


So, corp members who raise a fuzz about the existence of a corporate tax rate are scum?


Not necessarily. A good capsuleer corporation will raise the majority of its revenue through joint economic activity and not through taxing individual economic activity. If you tax individual economic activity, you're setting up a situation where the individual pilot might well benefit from the corporation falling.

It's far better to perform something like a joint mining operation or a Warzone patrol together, have the Corporation collect the income from the field and then pay out a bonus to each pilot based on their contributions - or simply keep the money and then bring in a ship replacement program and/or logisitical support service.I firmly believe that this is a much better way of raising revenue - since it teaches the pilot that the corporation provides and he owes a duty to it, rather than that it simply takes a cut of everything he does.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ilan Ardishapur
Purity of the Throne
#76 - 2016-09-16 22:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilan Ardishapur
Indira Harashani wrote:
It seems that it is possible to be so orthodox and conservative that one ends up with a metaphorical stack overflow and wraps back around to full heresy.

As much respect I have for Lord Yonis and the Ardishapur family, I admit I am unsurprised by the notion that this particular heretic supposedly hails from the same family that birthed the man who founded the Equilibrium of Mankind. I expect some housecleaning will be in order for Lord Arim in the coming months.


You speak as if the Ardishapur House were a petulant child. When it is the Ardishapur who've stayed truer to God's Will then many others who claim to be of the flock. But enough of this nonsensical deterrence.

- The Scriptures, Book II 2:1 wrote:
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen."


We the Amarr of true blood and lineage are the chosen of god, not a Udorian mutt. Those who refuse to acknowledge gods gift unto us, risk blasphemy, and ultimately risk giving up a righteous path for a tormented life of sin. Feign ignorance no longer brothers and sisters, take your rightful place at the side of a Pure and True Amarrian Throne.

Amarr Victor.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#77 - 2016-09-16 22:31:23 UTC
Is Ardishapur going to secede from Empire over this? Are they going to name themselves Empire as well if they do? Will both Empires excommunicate themselves?

Uncertainty!
Arrendis
TK Corp
#78 - 2016-09-16 23:25:37 UTC
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:


- The Scriptures, Book II 2:1 wrote:
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen."


We the Amarr of true blood and lineage are the chosen of god, not a Udorian mutt. Those who refuse to acknowledge gods gift unto us, risk blasphemy, and ultimately risk giving up a righteous path for a tormented life of sin. Feign ignorance no longer brothers and sisters, take your rightful place at the side of a Pure and True Amarrian Throne.

Amarr Victor.


You know, I've been asking this some lately, but I've gotta ask again, since you're taking a single verse to make your point: what's the context? Give us the next three verses.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#79 - 2016-09-16 23:30:28 UTC
Arrendis, you know we don't give away Scriptural spoilers. We only state the approved verses to whet your appetite so you'll go read the thing yourself. What's the point if you just get the whole story on demand? Goodness.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#80 - 2016-09-16 23:34:53 UTC
Ilan Ardishapur wrote:

- The Scriptures wrote:
blood

blood.


Wait, are you one of them ?

Aldrith, get him, he's one of them !

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.