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They will be dead if they implement the Nexus and Command Bursts, cause the Orca and Rorqual will then have to be on grid to provide boosts which then make them a giant target to hot drops, it will also cause prices in the market to go up because the price of losing a Rorqual or an Orca is too high.

[quote=Lugh Crow-Slave]because you cant get a def fleet together when using nexus? because you can't use the rorq outside of indust mode with an e-cyno? because you can't have webs ready to warp out an orca? because you now have to risk to get a reward? because you can no longer 24/7 afk boosts?[/quote


Because you can't read I'll explain it to you. It screws the little guy. Period. Which is what I started with. No one's going to be able to form a defense fleet vs what people will hot drop against you knowing what u have in system. It doesn't happen. If you think it does ur a liar or a moron or both. You'd get locked and scrammed before it even mattered by a bunch of strategic cruisers and black ops battleships spewing out of cynos before that thing went anywhere. Too easy to just fly in warp to colossal drop cyno. Done. We're already risking quite a bit without having to add that much more on top of it. Especially when we didn't have to risk it previously and again small corps it's not even that great of a reward. (Another stupid thing that slid out of ur mouth). You either don't mine, don't care, are part of a large corp, or just enjoy hot dropping small mining gangs when ur bored and don't want an actual fight. Pick any of the above. We also don't mine 24/7 afk in null sec. (yet another stupid thing that slid our of ur mouth). Next time properly read a post before making stupid half-wit replies. Thanks. I'm done with your nonsense. Have a good one.

Quite simply, you cannot dismiss the mining corporations with less than 50 players the way Fozzie has done.

Rorquals aren't coming to high-sec, and even if they could there is a good chance you won't be able to e-cyno out due to jump distance (again a Fozzie nerf) into a low sec system. Most small corporations will not want a Rorq loss on a kill mail because they can't afford the loss and embarrassment of that kind of kill mail, and don't want to give up the intel that the kill mail provides.

Orcas have been the choice for boosting high sec and low sec mining ops for small corporations. I would venture to say at least 80% of the high sec mining corporations have an industry alt that sits in an Orca at a POS and does nothing but boost.

While I'm not lucky enough to have a boosting alt, I have a RL friend that's in my corp that doesn't mind logging in, setting up a fleet, sitting in a POS, and providing boosts. He makes me the fleet boss and I can send invites so that we can give anyone boosts that wants them, including the new players. The excitement I hear from them puts a smile on my face; "My God, that's what mining boosts do?!?" is the most common question I've heard.

Now we're not going to be able to do that.

This isn't about entitlement. This is about a simple phrase:

Mining boosts are not logi boosts are not combat boosts.


If you want a legitimate fix for boosting, then separate the boosts into Combat, Logistics, and Industrial skills.


While I agree the insta-lock Loki sitting on the gate in Tama is a pain in the arse, screwing over industry to fix that problem is not a solution.

well the reason Orca and Rorqual were used this way is because they have 0 defenses, they need better defense capabilities otherwise they will continue to be huge targets with these Command Bursts

They really need to stop using this line of reasoning. It as you are calling it, and I'd I agree, is why they are getting this change. The perma run mining setups with no risk and almost no interaction. I did this myself when I ran 3+ accounts...set it up and mine for hours in empire alt tabbed to the 0.0 main on pos bash or some other crap op.

Throw in haulers and that orca never, ever, eva... had to be exposed. Only time my orca really exposed was on the jita runs. And usual hauling precautions in place for that. And eventually I charon'd that in time tbh.

This is the setup run by botters. You know how some of you miners said ccp...I can't compete with the bot miners please fix this. Be careful what you ask for, you may get it. Buried in this is a subtle anti-botting reason. Boosts are more player interactive. And the booster is exposed. CCP is not just busting your real player miner's balls here, this is also busting the botters balls as well.

CCP been doing this to rat killers for years. We said ccp its not fair we keep rat aggro when jumped. CCP said okay...rats shift aggro, look they attack the pvp'ers now too. Also attacked your drones, a pita for drone boat pve. Buried in all this was the subtle attempt to shutdown afk domi farmers. The war on botting has a high collateral damage rate, some drone pve'ers didn't afk and we took the same "punishment" as botters. Welcome to eve.

Explain to everyone how you give up mining yield on a boosting ship like the Orca.

well its really quit simple.... you don't try re-reading this again



now take care to notice that you are not doing anything to an orca but rather changing ships you may be using in your mining fleet

This remember the rorq is supposed to also get a hull balance pass at the same time these changes hit. I would not be surpirsed to see their tank get the carrier treatment

Do i feel bad that a new player may not be able to take full advantage of end game boosts?

no not at all. It also seems that in your scenario the poor sod got tricked into joining a group that is not active when he is.


EVERY THING IN EVE FAVORS LARGE GROUPS


and again if suddenly no one is mining with boosts ore prices will rise.

mining makes as much isk as miners are willing to say it makes. miners set the price of the ore not the game so if veld is worth x then the miner says his time it took to mine that or was worth x boost or no boost





Will new players probably make less isk after this if they join a corp unable to field these ships? yes. but our hands have been held for to long with what were essentially free boosts its time they were rained back in. You are also not looking at how the orca and the rorq got their boosts buffed with these changes meaning that if you can use them you do get better. You also seem to keep forgetting you no longer need to lock your rorq down to get better boosts than an orca

Debatable who is shitposting but here goes:

We do understand your point, much better than you do it seems.

Your hypothetical situations are completely irrelevant and only serve your own point. You speak about a solo roamer in both situations and then magically he has a blops fleet conveniently in the situation of the lone miner. The guy with the rorqual, would he be boosting for some random guys after the change? I'm going to say no.

What's that? A player has to actually make some effort to set up some infrastructure or join a Corp that has it to take full advantage of the best boosts? BLASPHEMY

I'm going to try and explain toddler level economics to you one last time:

We loves oranges, but even sometimes you can get sick of oranges so you buy enough to satisfy yourself and then stop buying oranges.

Oranges are a set price because other people also love oranges and because some people are willing to pay more for them they go up in price to match what the average person will pay for them.

Right now we have too many oranges and the orange farmers are sad because they don't get as much money per orange as they would like. This is largely due to too many people farming oranges because it's the easy thing to do and they've not really thought about anything else. The situation is further exacerbated by the big orange farmers spraying everyone's fields with fertiliser using an expensive plane because they might as well since the small orange farms are dotted around the big farms already.

New legislation is being passed telling the big orange farmers that they can no longer spray fertiliser from the air as this is causing water pollution, they have to do it another way using tractors. Now it's not so convenient to fertilise the small farms so they stop doing this.

Thing is there's TONS of small farms and only a few big farms, orange supply goes down and people start realising they can grow oranges in their back garden and sell them for decent prices on the local market. Now the smaller producers are happier because their contribution to the orange market is bigger and even if they can't get a big tractor to fertilise their fields they can feasibly do this by hand or even if they felt adventurous they could buy a horse to help.

Initially the small farms are sad because the free fertiliser is gone, however they realise that because supply was outstripping demand, orange farming was pretty poor income to begin with and only the big farms were really making good money out of it.

Some of the less dedicated farmers moved onto other things. Some made orange juice stalls since they realised oranges are so cheap that they could get a decent mark up by processing them into a different product. People began to be more innovative and think again.
Eventually we will have tons of people creating products out of oranges instead of becoming the lowest common denominator in an economy. We made oranges great again