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The bestest frigate for 1-3lvl missions?
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Tiya A'raund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-09-11 18:58:56 UTC
I want to grind standings to open lvl4's with a frigate, hoping to find something fairly decent even for the lvl3's, any ideas better than the Worm?

Yes I know there are better options, but I want to do it in a frigate, I was thinking about T3D too, since I have all destroyer skills at V, but for some reason frigates appeal to me more...

Yes I shouldn't Omni tank in missions and I shouldn't be cap stable, but that's just the way I like to do it! I'll only swap resists if lvl3 seems to be way too hard with Omni...

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[Worm, Worm fit]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Inferno Rage Rocket

Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II


'Augmented' Hobgoblin x2

1200m/s
247drone dps, +100extra from rockets for tougher BC/BS targets on lvl3.
92dps Omni tank, not sure if that's enough...

Thank you for your answers and ideas!

ps. 250mil is reasonable price for me, 500mil starts to get unreasonable...

pps. Ignore skill restrictions, assume everything lvl5 (or close enough).
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
#2 - 2016-09-11 20:39:43 UTC
You'll get a lot more miliage out of a svipul, confessor, cynnabal, phantasm, sleipnir, or any BC.
A T3d will fit into any mission deadspace pocket, and costs less than a worm.

my other nano is a polycarb
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-09-12 06:55:00 UTC
Would recommend a confessor, great engagement range and lots of dps. Obviously locked to 2 damage types but that usually doesn't matter unless you mission in angel space

Art of Explosions
Voxinian
#4 - 2016-09-12 11:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
Tiya A'raund wrote:


Yes I shouldn't Omni tank in missions and I shouldn't be cap stable, but that's just the way I like to do it! I'll only swap resists if lvl3 seems to be way too hard with Omni...


In a frig you mostly want speed and agillity, not resistance. Of course if you have a free slot left you can add an invul shield or something. In L1/L3 missions you wont get scrambled so you can fit a mwd instead of an AB. With some cap relays or cap rigs you can easilly make most frigs cap stable with a mwd and an active shield fitted. You will be so fast that you won't need anything more than the active shield.

Try the Dramiel, it can go 5k m/s with a mwd and is easilly made cap stable while still have decent dps.


[Dramiel, Dramiel 1 -test]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Small Cap Battery II
5MN Microwarpdrive II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II - Or a painter or something
Small Shield Booster II

200mm Autocannon II
200mm Autocannon II
Core Probe Launcher I

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II


Hobgoblin II x4


Something like this, but then probably with some buff to dps.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-09-12 16:02:34 UTC
Problem with the dramiel is the very short range. Flying back and forth uses up unexpected amounts of time and will cause your mission clear times to be a lot longer than expected. Your ideal style of mission is to be able to engage rats as soon as you're able to lock them this is why I suggested the Confessor.

Putting a micro warp drive on anything except an assault frigate means you won't be getting As much damage mitigation because of the increased signature radius. I would almost always suggest using an afterburner in PVE

Art of Explosions
napaCeN
just a tax corp
#6 - 2016-09-12 16:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: napaCeN
dramiel is a very very poor choice in all aspects, especialy that fit u linked, i suggest drone boats like the worm and the ishkur, it wont be an afk run cause pockets usualy have a lot frigs and destroyers so u will have to keep watch on drones, and all in all should be a fun exp, i used a ishkur for lev3s and was awesome, a worm wokrs probably even better, havent used one for lev3s yet, so yeah, iskur or worm is great.


p.s. a Hawk is great to
Tiya A'raund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-09-12 16:27:21 UTC
I've been EFT warrioring and it still it seems like Worm feels like best for what I'm trying to do, Svipul got some nice stats too, and all T3D have more tank, but as it was mentioned, most of the tank is from sig+speed anyways, so I suppose it shouldn't matter...

Confessor would also be nice, but the trouble is, I probably want to mission in angle space at some point too... so it kind of limits the use. :P

Surprisingly the Jackdaw also seems fairly usable, even though the paper dps is low, once you consider range and tracking it does start to look better, but since brute dps is most likely the biggest factor once I get to lvl3's, I doubt it would be optimal in the end.

Speed of the Dramiel sounds like nice, but considering the dps and very limited range of AC, I doubt it would be the best option.

Thanks for all the ideas, still fiddling with fits to see if something would overtake the Worm. :)
Voxinian
#8 - 2016-09-12 16:28:42 UTC
napaCeN wrote:
dramiel is a very very poor choice in all aspects, especialy that fit u linked, i suggest drone boats like the worm and the ishkur, it wont be an afk run cause pockets usualy have a lot frigs and destroyers so u will have to keep watch on drones, and all in all should be a fun exp, i used a ishkur for lev3s and was awesome, a worm wokrs probably even better, havent used one for lev3s yet, so yeah, iskur or worm is great.


p.s. a Hawk is great to


I gave the Dramiel with that fit a go and it defenitely lacks dps with this fit, but the rats were not able to hit me, didn't even needed to tank against most rats. The lack of range is a bit of a fuzz cos you need to orbit at 500m (@ around 3k m/s). It is kind of fun though with that boat... but efficient no :>
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-09-13 00:57:48 UTC
Running L3 missions in a frigate is not very practical. Use a Machariel and blitz those bad boys, and it will get you to those sweet, sweet L4 missions a lot quicker than a frigate will.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2016-09-13 14:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Running L3 missions in a frigate is not very practical. Use a Machariel and blitz those bad boys, and it will get you to those sweet, sweet L4 missions a lot quicker than a frigate will.

While this is true why would you even bother to post it in a topic where the OP has made it clear they want to use a frigate. See the quote below.

No matter how clearly people state what they want to do this min max cancer always finds it's way into the discussion so here is a pro tip for you. Some of us simply do not care about how much ISK or LP we make and we simply do not care how long it takes, we are trying things simply because we want to see if WE can do it.

Even if this was about the min max thing (ISK / LP) or about getting to level 4's the quickest way possible the Mach is not the best blitz ship for level 3's. In many ways and depending on the missions you choose, your characters skills and your personal preferences the Tengu can be better option.

Tiya A'raund wrote:
Yes I know there are better options, but I want to do it in a frigate, I was thinking about T3D too, since I have all destroyer skills at V, but for some reason frigates appeal to me more...
Tiya A'raund
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-09-13 16:26:34 UTC
Yes, this is true, I have lvl4's open on multiple corps, and have ships to run them effectively, just want to do something fun for a change, not just grind isk... opening new lvl4's in a frig seemed like a fun and semi-useful at the same time :-)

I tried to find a fit a hawk, but was unable to get amazing stats for it unfortunately... :-(

Seems like Worm is the winner, I might compare it to svipul ingame to see how much pure stats dont tell. :-)
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-09-14 01:21:59 UTC
Then if it is fun you want, go run L3 missions in a meta 0 Kestrel.

Enjoy...
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2016-09-14 13:46:30 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Then if it is fun you want, go run L3 missions in a meta 0 Kestrel.

Enjoy...

Been there and done that thank you. It was fun, it was also orders of magnitude more difficult than the boring min max craptastic level 3 blitz in Mach / Tengu thingy.

But the point and the question still stand.
In a topic where the OP specifically stated they wanted to use a frigate for level 3's why did you even bother to post the nonsense about blitzing in a Mach?
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-09-15 00:54:48 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Then if it is fun you want, go run L3 missions in a meta 0 Kestrel.

Enjoy...

Been there and done that thank you. It was fun, it was also orders of magnitude more difficult than the boring min max craptastic level 3 blitz in Mach / Tengu thingy.

But the point and the question still stand.
In a topic where the OP specifically stated they wanted to use a frigate for level 3's why did you even bother to post the nonsense about blitzing in a Mach?

The nonsense posted was wanting to run L3s in a frigate. If that is what they wanted, why bother coming to the forums to ask? Just pick a frigate and go have fun.

Guess whether they can actually achieve running L3s in a frigate isn't our concern.
Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
#15 - 2016-09-15 01:35:23 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Running L3 missions in a frigate is not very practical. Use a Machariel and blitz those bad boys, and it will get you to those sweet, sweet L4 missions a lot quicker than a frigate will.



Using a mach for anything below an L4 is not practical either. In an L3 every single rat is at least one size class below the sig resolution of your turrets, so large turrets will project at best 50% the damage you are expecting. Between the added lock time, alignment speed, and the extra cost of using large vs medium or small ammo, the mach is far from the 'ideal' L3 blitz hull.


Seriously though, for standings grind where you have to start from L1 agents, get a confessor or svipul and be done with it. Confessor has more than enough dps to overcome L1 and L2 angel rats em/therm resists, and the added nicety of having to resupply ammo once in a blue moon with t2/faction, or never of you stick to a set of t1 crystals. Use a small cargo container in your cargo hold to keep new crystals new and not clutter up the reload options when you right-click on your turret/group.

my other nano is a polycarb
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#16 - 2016-09-15 14:02:43 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The nonsense posted was wanting to run L3s in a frigate.

Why is running level 3 missions in a frigate nonsense?

Is it nonsense because it is not the most ISK / LP efficient way to run them?

Is it nonsense because you tried to do it and failed?

Is it nonsense to try something simply to see if you can do it?

In a game we play for fun is it nonsense to do something simply because you enjoy it?

Running missions in a frigate is not nonsense, running missions for the min max thing is not nonsense they are both personal choices. In a topic where a person is asking help with a specific problem, telling them to abandon the idea is nonsense.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-09-17 01:08:04 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
The nonsense posted was wanting to run L3s in a frigate.

Why is running level 3 missions in a frigate nonsense?

Is it nonsense because it is not the most ISK / LP efficient way to run them?

Is it nonsense because you tried to do it and failed?

Is it nonsense to try something simply to see if you can do it?

In a game we play for fun is it nonsense to do something simply because you enjoy it?

Running missions in a frigate is not nonsense, running missions for the min max thing is not nonsense they are both personal choices. In a topic where a person is asking help with a specific problem, telling them to abandon the idea is nonsense.

Because the frigate chosen wouldn't matter.

No.

No.

No, I encourage it.

No, go for it.

I agree with you there that it is personal choices and responses to the thread have to be taken with a grain of salt. But the OP did not have a 'problem', they were more curious on what they should do. I told them my opinion.

Take it or leave it. That is the way of Eve Online.

Thank you, please drive through...
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#18 - 2016-09-21 06:25:50 UTC
T3Ds are great but if you want a frig try the Assault frigs. I would stick with a AF that has the resistance profile for the race you are fighting, that opens you up to a full DPS fit.

I use a Wolf to do Sansha sites in Low/Null for the same reason (all the way up to Sansha Annex part 2-4). This is my fit, has 180DPS Tank v EM/Therm and 287 DPS. Combined with a tiny sig and its tanks like a boss.

Cap stable with the NOS on and MWD off. So i just burn around and when you need to rep just parasite onto a ship for a while. (Swap the TC for a Battery if you want even more cap life, Cap stable with MWD and NOS on)

[Wolf, Sansha]
Small Armor Repairer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Corpii A-Type Thermal Plating
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Energy Nosferatu II

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator II

Its not much more than 40-50Mil last time a check.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#19 - 2016-09-21 13:10:43 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
But the OP did not have a 'problem', they were more curious on what they should do. I told them my opinion.

Take it or leave it. That is the way of Eve Online.

Thank you, please drive through...

Again you miss the critical part of the OP, they did not ask about level 3 mission in general they specifically asked about level 3 missions in a frigate. Even the title of this entire thread states that very clearly.
DJ puar
Covert Economics
#20 - 2016-10-06 15:37:58 UTC
Manticore or hound
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