EVE General Discussion

You are also apparently unable to accept criticism or respond appropriately to the very real possibility that you are wrong and are attempting to give terrible, self-defeating advice to new players off the back of that.

You're not wrong. But those experiences taught you something, and it's imperative others learn this for themselves as well. Some CEOs know what they're doing an set up a chat channel or set up an alt corp. Some CEOs are newbros themselves and can offer little to no advice on the matter. If that was the case, leaving was the right call.

Just don't take too long in an NPC corp or you'll grow lonely and that would be another reason to not enjoy your game. ;-)

One more thing ... don't take the forums too personal. Post a question in New Citizens and they may be helpful. Anywhere else, be warned -- there be vets here

Thanks.

Hmmm... I can't say I really blame the CEO's of the corps I've been with though. My experience doesn't necessarily equate to their capability or efforts. I think what bothers me early game is beyond their control. The chats and ops I have been in has always lead me to believe that the leaders/players inside were competent. And they have been very helpful.

I'm the one who is shy to ask or accept handouts in game so I'm mostly to blame here. Just my personality - I like to have control.

Instead of telling them what not to do based on your own subjective opinion (Biased by your own experiences), you could also just link something like this and educate them on how to reduce the chances of having your experiences, without limiting them to a playstyle for the first months that is known to decrease retention.

I really thought that broadening ones horizons early game before rushing into corps is the opposite of limiting one's play style...

You are not doing that by telling them what not to do for the first months. Teach them to make educated choices themselves instead, don't pick the choice for them. And you did not read the link I assume?

I have plenty of times, as I am in a newbie friendly FW corp where that is what we do, and that also went fine. So now that we have concluded, that we have equally big penisses, can we continue with the discussion? So the problem is that CCPs own questionaries suggest that joining a corp is crucial for retention, and instead of offering a solution on how to make that transition as good as possible, the OP suggest that people avoid corp contact for the first months because he had bad experience and did probably not do his homdework before joining said corps. The answer is not " do not join a corp in the beginning" but rather " find the right corp". And newbie friendly also happens by smaller corps, like the one I am in, so drop the whole biggest faceless "new player friendly" corp crap



Because if your experince does not help the newbie (Like a lot of people agree upon here), it is better to help them make their own choice

Know that feeling :D it is easy to get caught in the euphoria of discussing

Top tip: HiSec isnt safe

Is that your own personal experience? Eww! That is so biased I don't even.

See how that works? How someone feels about something and dismissing it as "subjective" and "biased" is an awful way to measure arguments and debate, yet the opening salvo of your reply was dismissing my point as if I were flaunting my very phallic ego around. Is that your best shot? Care to try again?

I could say your advice is just as bad as the OP, but that wouldn't be true, because the OP's advice rings truer to me than yours does. By all accounts, the character you are posting with shouldn't exist because you would have to join a player corporation on day one if some people had their way (preferably their corp to give them more warm bodies to work with).

Corporations in EVE, the good ones, have crippling specializations that restrict their activities, while the bad ones dabble in everything but get nothing done EXCEPT the "big faceless" corporations, which are large enough to franchise multiple activities. And those corporations tend to be wardecc to their ears. So when you suggest a new player to join a corporation, and they don't know what they like doing on EVE, you are actually clipping their wings. Those corporations will suggest new players to train in a very specific way, often baring them from getting anything done while they wait for those skill queues to finish. They can't try new things because that will take away from the corporation goals. And that's when they don't suggest them to train for interceptors or what the heck so they can "contribute" to the fleet with tackles.

If you manage to make it pass the one year mark as an EVE player, even if you are fitting a Raven like a meme you can still give advice to a New Player on how to have fun in the game. And fun is the real metric in EVE, not corporations or the "right way" to play. Saying otherwise, is rubbish.

Suggesting players to try things out at their own pace is never a bad suggestion. It just doesn't benefit certain entities in EVE as immediately.