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Why do people assume how we play the game reflects us in real life?

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#461 - 2016-09-14 23:56:08 UTC
Playne Jayne wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It makes perfect sense to attack your enemy's production capabilities and logistics pipeline in hisec Roll Attacking the supply chain is an age old tactic of war.


Riiiight.

And that's why CODE. mainly goes after noob miners in ventures who are mining a box or two of veld....

...and not the heavily pew-protected uber mining fleets that the enemy are using.

Gotcha.


Those guys would be mining in NS. Also, they'd be importing some low ends as well...in which case they might be using freighters. And Goons and CODE. have typically had a good relationship.....

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#462 - 2016-09-15 00:02:53 UTC
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol

@lunettelulu7
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#463 - 2016-09-15 00:10:43 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol



They are the bottom feeders of Eve.
Arahantius Detache
Arahantius Detache Corporation
#464 - 2016-09-15 00:13:00 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:

For me, becomig the head of RvB shortly after the past command declare the formal cession of operations was a bit about duty. I was one of the highest in command left. I felt that I owed it to my fellow members and friends to keep RvB alive as best as could and grow back. Have we succeeded (with a lot of help from great people who also stepped up), but that isn't my point or relevant to the discussion. What is, is that for feelings outside of my own pleasure, I took on a role I did not want nor enjoy. And yet when compared to my real life, this is not necessarily who I am. Yet by many here and the logic they claim, I must be a leader. I must want this role. My actions in game mirror my real life persona.



The whole point was that you took on the leadership role because you felt it was your duty, not because you wanted to. So in game you didn't want to do it just as in real life you wouldn't want to do it.

I dare say you would take on a leadership role in real life if you felt dutybound to do so Blink

So, as it stands, what is done in game is what someone would be capable of in RL. I am also a shy inhibited person who would never take on a leadership role in game expect when dutybound, but, guess what... it did happen to me in real life. Even though I hated it, I was an Executive Director for 2 years just because I felt dutybound to do it. I would never take such a role again unless compelled to do so again.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#465 - 2016-09-15 00:13:34 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol



They are the bottom feeders of Eve.



Roll

@lunettelulu7
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#466 - 2016-09-15 00:16:51 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol

They are the bottom feeders of Eve.

I think there is a problem with your theory.

Otherwise every discussion/documentary about anything in the ocean would inevitably become entirely about the Sea Cucumbers...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Careby
#467 - 2016-09-15 00:20:19 UTC
I don't pretend to know what's going on in the minds of EVE players (even my own.)

But if it's all really just role playing, then EVE has some very fine actors who need to catch the next plane to Hollywood.
Arahantius Detache
Arahantius Detache Corporation
#468 - 2016-09-15 01:06:24 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
This topic smacks of "methinks he/she doth protest too much." It strikes at the heart of psychology, and is at the portal of aberrant psychology. It's something along the lines of, "Does that make me a bad person?"



I applaud you for your efforts to try to help others, self awareness is really a difficult subject to get others to understand. I wish I had your patience but I don't have the same belief that humans will rise past their current condition.

It is truly scary that most people are activiely unwilling to explore their own psychs and by extension the far reaching results of their actions. I feel sorry for those who have reached some level of self awareness knowing that those around them are still so absorbed with their surface thoughts. Knowing that those around me will defend their social veneer vehemently in order to avoid deeper understanding has disheartened me.

I don't believe the human race will survive the journey to knowing themselves and instead will cling to whatever comforts them until they destroy themselves. It's their instinct. But again, I applaud you Big smile
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#469 - 2016-09-15 01:10:49 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
They are the bottom feeders of Eve.



I though it was those that hide behind forum alts....?

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#470 - 2016-09-15 01:36:31 UTC
i would rather call it Reputation and self-moral, otherwise not sure what makes a nice family dude do play all the illegal roles such as scam, gank, robber, thief etc. There always do's and don'ts you set up for yourself and in this game specifically.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#471 - 2016-09-15 01:53:29 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
They are the bottom feeders of Eve.



I though it was those that hide behind forum alts....?

Oh Really?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#472 - 2016-09-15 04:07:43 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
They are the bottom feeders of Eve.



I though it was those that hide behind forum alts....?

Oh Really?



I love you. Lets never fight again.

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#473 - 2016-09-15 04:17:57 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol



They are the bottom feeders of Eve.



Well, if you want to PvP in HS what are your options?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#474 - 2016-09-15 04:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Playne Jayne wrote:
And that's why CODE. mainly goes after noob miners in ventures who are mining a box or two of veld....

If you would actually bother to check if what you write is actually true you would have noticed that our Killboard features ~16k dead exhumers, ~31k mining barges, and only ~10k frigates, which as a class represent not only the Venture but all frigates in EVE.

Playne Jayne wrote:
Thirdly, now that CCP are teetering on going into receivership, even the hardiest of HTFU devs is shitting bricks about losing their job, hence semi-F2P (about to go full F2P when the first 'model' fails, I'm guessing say March?) the ONLY consideration on CCP's minds is getting new players into the game - which means they have to not insta-quit.

Their latest revenue reports show a completely different picture than what you try to draw here. They are implementing new ways to monetise EVE for a long time now. So can you please elaborate what this has to do with us and with the topic?

Evil RatKid
Playne Jayne
Doomheim
#475 - 2016-09-15 07:34:05 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
They are the bottom feeders of Eve.



I though it was those that hide behind forum alts....?



Come over to Gelhan and say it to our faces then. We'll be in one of the belts, as per usual.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#476 - 2016-09-15 07:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Playne Jayne wrote:
And that's why CODE. mainly goes after noob miners in ventures who are mining a box or two of veld....

If you would actually bother to check if what you write is actually true you would have noticed that our Killboard features ~16k dead exhumers, ~31k mining barges, and only ~10k frigates, which as a class represent not only the Venture but all frigates in EVE.

Playne Jayne wrote:
Thirdly, now that CCP are teetering on going into receivership, even the hardiest of HTFU devs is shitting bricks about losing their job, hence semi-F2P (about to go full F2P when the first 'model' fails, I'm guessing say March?) the ONLY consideration on CCP's minds is getting new players into the game - which means they have to not insta-quit.

Their latest revenue reports show a completely different picture than what you try to draw here. They are implementing new ways to monetise EVE for a long time now. So can you please elaborate what this has to do with us and with the topic?


Just a few comments, when did the Venture come out again?

Also many new miners go into mining barges, such as Retreivers which are pretty high up on your list of ganked ships.

In terms of Eve, the game itself is fairly solid, however while the player base is its biggest strength, it is also its biggest weakness. Eve has a reputation in the gaming world which is the truth, the new clones will just add more cannon fodder for people like you to get your cheap thrills out of on your perfect execution type PvP.

CCP has realised that having a game where only players like you play it, is suicide, problem is that their new clone approach just creates some cannon fodder easy kills which will just highlight the issue even more. For me blowing up an alpha clone just devalues the kill, for you its normality.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#477 - 2016-09-15 07:49:50 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol
That's because they are desperate for relevance in a game that's phasing them out. The same thing is why if there's more than a couple of days with noone mentioning code they get one of their alts to create a thread asking about or complaining about code. The simple reality is that a group taking zero risks, hiding behind disposable ships on disposable alts targeting newbies in badly fit ships just won't be relevant in a competitive game, especially now that CCPs focus is shifting towards bringing in more players. Once they are completely phased out, the game will be better for it, but the forums will probably see a pretty long death wail.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#478 - 2016-09-15 08:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
All these threads always turn into a CODE thread Lol



They are the bottom feeders of Eve.


Unfortunately, if they are the bottom feeders - ie. they feed on the bottom of the Eve player base - then you are saying that anyone who is ganked is that bottom.

You're implying that the people that are ganked are the lowest rung on the ladder, which I personally think is totally unfair.

Mining, hauling, whatever form of play is all equally valid; so miners are no more the bottom of Eve than gankers are the bottom feeders.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#479 - 2016-09-15 10:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Unfortunately, if they are the bottom feeders - ie. they feed on the bottom of the Eve player base - then you are saying that anyone who is ganked is that bottom.

You're implying that the people that are ganked are the lowest rung on the ladder, which I personally think is totally unfair.

Mining, hauling, whatever form of play is all equally valid; so miners are no more the bottom of Eve than gankers are the bottom feeders.
They kinda are. Noone is saying all miners and all haulers are at the bottom, but the ones that get ganked are. They are people with limited knowledge of the game, usually because they are relatively new and that's why they are targeted by people incapable of taking a challenge. Anyone that knows what they are doing simply doesn't get ganked. That's pretty much the crux of why I don't like code, they are veteran players who (like any other carebears) will only go after the easiest of targets then cry when their gameplay gets balanced to help newbies get a fair start.

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Lacori
Doomheim
#480 - 2016-09-15 10:56:45 UTC
See, now look what's happened.

Playne Jayne is in Doomheim :(

I guess she felt she couldn't play the way she wanted in Eve. I don't understand. All I said to her in local when I uncloaked my dread next to her venture was 'be careful, and oh, do you happen to have any spare ISK?'

You have to watch what you say to people these days...