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Depends on how you define "the small dude".
Back when I was a small(er) dude, I got annoyed by offgrid boosted roflstomp mobiles in novice FW plexes.

Now, such a smaller dude will get a real brawl, and you'll both get more fun out of your ships.

Dualboxing an OGB by definition rules you out for 'Solo' or 'small dude' arguments I'm afraid... although I do see your point. Ironically, the same scales as the numbers at both ends go up a little: our 5 man gang vs your 5 man gang would give you a fight -- unless it's a 4 man + OGB kitefest; then you pretty much shut us out of the picture.

When neither party has links, balance is restored.

What you're trying to do is go up against a much larger gang with ongrid links, and under those circumstances balance would suggest the one guy loses. Even with links, there'd be logistics and EWAR to contend with ... such endeavours may be out of your league with or without links.

i think what most industrial people upsets with the Rorqual Boost changes is following.

"The Rorqual needs love" was a long time used joke thrown around.

What people hoped:
1. Give it NEW functions cause many got "lost" cause of new moduls/changes/bugs/etc.
Compressing Ore --- now can be done in a Pos everywhere and anytime (even standing is not counting anymore)
Create Jumpclones --- since the "Standing bug" hit, its not needed anymore
The cheap JF --- Jumprange and Fatique killed that

2. DO NOT EVER GET US TO PUT IT INTO THE BELT --- Never ever
Especially since the Mining Anos are "1 click warp" now.
And even more cause "Industrial Core" is a dead trap (an interceptor travel 30 systems in 5 minutes including Dscan-Warp to belt / an Interdictor makes 15+ System etc.) -- there is NO Intel that reaches this far out.

What we actualy get:
1. Put it into the Belt
2. NO new function --- that "stopwatch until death" is NOT a new function its a Modul with no real benefit.
Its like "if a Rorqual is in a Pos you have to wait 5minutes until you can shot it freely"
And NO ... i dont believe the talking "oh null sov holders have so many people ready all the time to save miners" thats completly negating the reality.
3. And please use MANY of them ... everything gets better with MANY ?
and PLEASE Cuddle up as near as possible ... give the roaming gangs a clear info where "all the easy prey" sits.
1 Dscan - 1 click "warp to belt" and you at least have a Rorqual.

What could help:
1. Make the "Hidden Mining Belts" in 0.0 and Lowsec hidden again ... there shouldn`t be a "warp to the Jackpot" button with this changes.
2. Make the Rorqual not Scanable with probes when in Industrial Mode (7 seconds until pinned down cause of its insane signature would negate the "Hidden Mining Belts" completly )
3. Change the "5 minutes safety Burst" to a "Microjumpfield-burst" which involves any now "secured" ship, to get shoot in the actual direction they are heading in this very moment ... like a fishswarm dashing out of the center when it gets attacked.
And make the regeneration time of this funtion to 1+hour or Burn out completly after one use.

I too would realy like to see some "Mningprotection fleets" BUT that will not happen ... not anymore with the accutal amount of accounts in eve online in the same Timezone/Alliance/Region AND the capability to react fast enough.

2 was removed from the game long ago. CCP controls this via math. namely sig radius/sig strength. they changed the floor of that function so you can't bottom it out like in the past. magic value used to be 1.4 iirc...below this and my tengu can and did disappear from probes.

Lowest value the equation will support is the value a max skill prober, sisters gear with virtues can still generate for scna strengths. You can go below it....but the equation(s) stopped counting at that uber probers max value point.

They'd have to do something to have that function recognize an unprobable ratio again. I have a few fit/implant combo's on standby for when they adjust that function to work like the old days. Many would.

CCP actually doesn't make things immune. they boost stats to play with the math. Example: bastions jam proofing comes from they max the hell out of sig strength. It shoots up to like 300+, well above any known way (player or NPC) to get that high a jam strength. Worth noting its probably also why in bastion sig radius goes to crap. Otherwise you'd have hard to probe bs's real easy and real fast lol.

so you are telling me that you should be able to safely use the end game mining booster w/o having to have people to defend it?? at the point that you should be using the end game rorq you should have enough people in your alliance to show up and defend it in five minutes. if not use one of the lower level boosters OR use the rorq w/o the core and have an E-cyno set up. you want the reward of max boosts you are going to need to take the risk



just because you have always just been given these HUGE boosts for free does not mean that was balanced

I read posts up into the 500's then skipped ahead to the second dev post when it became clear that nothing new was really going to be added to the conversation. What I have not seen mentioned yet though is that CCP is not following the boost structure for miners that they are for combat pilots. I could argue that mining boosts != combat boosts but seeing as they are being treated the same way lets really treat them the same way.

The Rorqual, as a capital class ship should be giving less of a boost over a wider area than the Orca does. The Orca is the "Command Ship" equivalent in this scenario and should actually be the one applying max boost. This would open up the Rorqual to become something completely different and dare I say epically cool instead of the trailer queen that it currently is. Make it the mining equivalent to a ratting carrier and be done with it. You want risk vs reward... make the thing actually get some reward for being actively piloted instead of giving it all away for free to the exhumers/barges/ventures in the fleet. I don't know... maybe make it act like a capital ship or something...

for some reason hasn't been banned from this thread for trying to sound intellectual when in actuality has only been trolling people the whole time. Also has yet to add any content worth reading for the initial 500+ posts as well as the last 200 where I picked it back up again.

Didn't give myself enough credit... I only skipped ahead around 100 posts or so. Read more than I thought I did while I was at "work".

My opinion is still along the lines of radically changing the Rorqual from being an afk alt whose only job is to increase other characters mining output to something that would actually be fun to fly. Just like you can't assign your carrier fighters to ratters and then go afk anymore you shouldn't be able to give it all away (boost) while you sit there doing nothing in your Rorqual. You should just like in a carrier have to actually be piloting the thing to get any benefit from it. Give them boosts with a bigger range but less affect than an Orca just like the command ship / carrier relationship they have for combat boosts. Don't treat the Rorqual any more or less special than the other capital ships. if you want the additional output from flying a Rorqual make the pilot actually mine for his m3 instead of leaching off his minions.

I'll give you a little credit for having some useful posts along the way Lugh Crow-Slave however most of your posts come across as elitist trolling and its really rather pathetic especially in a thread this long.

Other areas that have been mentioned but should be mentioned again regarding mining boosts just to give weight where I think it really needs to be.

1. Bumping macharials in the HS ice belts. Skiffs can orbit at 500 to mostly avoid these d-bags or fit an afterburner to your procurer and they generally can't get a good hit on you anymore. However an Orca is going to be their play toy until they let it go or they invite their gank fleet to finish it off. The only fix to this is going to also have a bumping macharial on standby to bump the other boosters / freighters off field as well... which happens to be my current stategy... they mess with my HS miners I return the favor. Had the last guys freighter on lockdown for two hours because I wouldn't let him warp off until he apologized for screwing with my Orca pilot. Of course that cost me 400 Million to buy the Macharial and fit it for bumping... but well worth it just for the salt.

2. Range of boost in NS belts, completely inadequate. Mining boosts != combat boosts... bring them on grid for obvious risk vs reward reasons but there is no reason not to give mining boosts a much larger range than the combat boosts. I don't hear the roids complaining about going pop too easily and forcing the miners into a furball is just making them an even easier target than they already are. I can see the Bombers Bar trailers now as they warp in click click boom...

3. Leadership/WC/FC skill points refund... There's way too much change in the mechanics to not refund these to people who skilled them up. If they want to put those points back into those skills for the range boost let them do so but they are no way the same or even close to what they were originally used for and saying otherwise is being disingenuous.

I will agree with number two i see no real reason there should be a "range" on mining boosts if they were built in code that means they need range just set it to 10000k

My reasoning for lowering the boost rate on the Rorqual is for balancing purposes. Command ships get better boosts than capitals... Orca is the industrial Command ship... You shouldn't have to have a capital in that case to get the best boosts. The capital pilot will be able to do more than any other miner but also being the max boost puts an unequal pressure on the smaller corps / alliances that can't field one.

I thought the whole point of reworking boosts was to make them counterable and equitable across the board. Granted mining boosts don't really need to be counterable but they should be equitable across the board for smaller corps / alliances. They might not be able to get to the best spots to mine but at least they should be on even footing with the big power blocks when it comes to the actual mechanics of mining.