EVE General Discussion

No, it explicitly doesn't.

Why am I getting the impression I have more first hand experience with this aspect of the game than experienced players?? I don't mean to sound arrogant here. This is not how it works at all!!

I've been with HiSec corps (Avalon springs to mind)
I've been with Pandemic Horde
I've just now recently left another nullsec corp

A fun fleet from Hisec to Null?? In what world has this ever happened??
An experienced player throwing ships at you for free? Well I guess that can happen, but think of how many times it would happen for all the new comers in November.
A market in Nullsec?? That a newbie can even afford let alone find? This doesn't even make a lick of sense?

Sorry if I sound a little off here but I'm not convinced at all. I've been there, multiple times.

And again I ask how a newbie is supposed to derive fun from those first few weeks/months experiencing what I've painted above.

Meh... I dunno

I've lived everywhere from NS to LS to HS to WHs. You don't seem to have ANY experience. Any semi-competent alliance will tell you if they are wardecced and tell you not to join the corp until you are out of HS. If you ask for an escort if you can't fly an interceptor yet, most will send a few.

Most truly new players get ships for free, absolutely. new players with the right attitude that is. Ones who are open to learning. Not ones who ragequit and create whine threads over a one million ISK loss like you did.

I'm wondering if you're trolling now. You can't have ever lived in null if you think there aren't market hubs.

So they join. They get free shyte. They run off to Nullsec immediately. Then they kind of stay there for a month while their skill training ticks away.

Great! That's solved the problem. Well done. All new players can rejoice.

Ok. Try fit a frig without jumping through enemy space in nullsec to find the items. FULLY FITTED! Without using corp hanger or friendly assistance and without spending over 500% more than you normally would.

If you can, happy days. But sadly I have never accomplished this :(

Just from me (a moderately inexperienced player who has made the same mistakes over and over), to all the up and coming newbies of Eve Online - Especially for when the clone states kick in.

1. DO NOT apply with any player run corporation for a while. No matter how well intentioned they are or how willing they are to teach you. You will find yourself war dec'd by HiSec griefers like Marmite Collective and so on and you will be unable to do much in the game except hide away all the time.
2. DO NOT apply with a nullsec corp for a while either. Not only for the same reason above, but if you have low skill/training, low ISK and so on you're not going to find this game fun. You will feel useless and trapped and without a market in nullsec and will be at the mercy of higher ranking members. Basically, you're cannon fodder. Again, no offense to them and no matter how well intentioned they are.
3. Consider sticking with an NPC corp until you have at least 50 - 100 mil ISK and can fly a cruiser at 4 or 5 mastery before considering any of the above. That means doing missions, exploring, mining (If it must be done), industry etc... and getting well acquainted with the game. Do not rush to nullsec or rush into PvP. NPC corps cannot be war dec'd so this reduces griefing chances in HiSec to all but those who want to suicide gank you.
4. If you do want PvP experience early on, consider Faction Warfare instead. Use it as a learning path also.
5. Learn how to evade gate camps and traps as quickly as possible. Lots of YouTube, google links etc... to research. Use a shuttle where necessary and don't put your good ships at risk unnecessarily if you need to fetch a small market item a few jumps away.
6. As the old saying goes, fly what you are prepared to lose. In fact, consider whatever you are undocking as lost already. So check your ISK budget before undocking. It is the same as playing an FPS - you will die frequently and you will respawn again, except in Eve you lose a lot more.
7. Finally don't frustrate other players by asking questions that are covered by tutorials and career agents already. Besides - you will want to do the career agents for all the free ships and goodies you get via them anyway.

The rest will come naturally as you learn the game (i.e. Ship fitting, The Market, Working with the overview etc...). And you can still learn a lot through NPC corps, forums, YouTube and trial/error without relying on some muppet in a player corp to train you :P

If you don't follow my advice, well then either you're one in a thousand or you will quit the game soon after. Do not listen to the more experienced players, they will still tell you to join X corp as soon as possible coz they has cookies and that this is all BS :) But you will learn ;) And they went through all this when the rules/environment was a little different so what do they know :P

Cheers.

The moment a new player joins one of those corps, Highsec becomes instantly locked to them, their assets become volatile, and if there's anything I learned is that giving handouts to a new player robs them of the growing experience of watching their wealth and power grow overtime.

Horde, Brave, Karmafleet, etc. the are just easy examples to point to.

They aren't the only examples and there are good Corps that teach/play PvE too.

Eve-Uni maintain highsec activities and they are under permanent wardec, yet still do a lot of PvE.

There's a lot of PvE in the game and it is just as valid a play style as PvP. It just isn't done without the possibility that someone else will bring PvP to you. Doesn't mean PvE choices are bad, just that even in PvE you should be prepared to respond to someone else's actions against you, no matter where you are.

Unfortunately the OPs advice is a one any ticket to boredom and leaving the game. It can be so different (eg. Like the story from reddit linked above from a thread in New Citizens Q&A a couple of days ago).

When you find the right corp, you'll understand the difference it can make to one's progression.