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Can Flipping against EULA?
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#21 - 2012-01-17 16:51:16 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I like the troll elsewhere reply in response to everyone when its clear you defend the right to canflip in noob systems.
It's has a new name, it's called bait canning, apparently. Lol

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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-01-17 16:52:19 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I like the troll elsewhere reply in response to everyone when its clear you defend the right to canflip in noob systems.



quote me where i defended the right to can flip in rookie systems please. because i didn't. I defend the right to can flip, regardless of location. If CCP would like it be done else where, then it will be done else where. This thread for for clarification of the rules, not to ask everyone's opinion on can flipping.

If you are into 1000 man blob fleets that lag you to the point of exhaustion, that is fine. If you like to sit on a LS gate with a 20 man fleet to wait on the 1 guy to come through from HS to gank him, that's fine too.

did you read all my posts?

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

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My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-01-17 16:54:01 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I like the troll elsewhere reply in response to everyone when its clear you defend the right to canflip in noob systems.
It's has a new name, it's called bait canning, apparently. Lol




they are different.

bait canning (IMO) involves you changing the name of your can to "free stuff" and popping noobs.

That is cowardice and foolish.

But stealing from a can and the person shooting at you for it, and you getting to fight him and any corpies that come along (by yourself) is not not bait canning.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#24 - 2012-01-17 16:54:10 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
quote me where i defended the right to can flip in rookie systems please. because i didn't.


Would be easier to do if you didn't edit your posts where you do so directly before trolling still further.
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-17 16:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bartholemu Fu-Baz
My Neutral Toon wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
You're shooting 1 day old characters. He's right.



I've seen OLD characters fall for can flipping.

If CCP didn't want it as a part of the game, they would eliminate the mechanics. But they didn't.

They actually tweaked the mechanics to make it more 1v1 capable.


troll elsewhere


Except if you are doing it to old characters or even new characters outside of the Rookie Systems, you aren't going to get a CCP warning. Your "corp mate" apparently wasn't.

Can flipping is perfectly fine and a legitimate way (game rules wise anyway) to challenge someone, but CCP doesn't want you doing that to brand new players to ruin their first impression eve while they are still learning how to fly.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Tell your "corp mates" to stop that, and all should be fine.
Othran
Route One
#26 - 2012-01-17 16:54:42 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I like the troll elsewhere reply in response to everyone when its clear you defend the right to canflip in noob systems.



quote me where i defended the right to can flip in rookie systems please. because i didn't. I defend the right to can flip, regardless of location. If CCP would like it be done else where, then it will be done else where. This thread for for clarification of the rules, not to ask everyone's opinion on can flipping.

If you are into 1000 man blob fleets that lag you to the point of exhaustion, that is fine. If you like to sit on a LS gate with a 20 man fleet to wait on the 1 guy to come through from HS to gank him, that's fine too.

did you read all my posts?


Ahahaha I don't think I've ever seen Spank with more than 5 people. Normally she's solo(ish).

Stop digging.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#27 - 2012-01-17 16:55:29 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
quote me where i defended the right to can flip in rookie systems please. because i didn't.

Sure.
My Neutral Toon wrote:
I defend the right to can flip, regardless of location.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-01-17 16:58:15 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
You're shooting 1 day old characters. He's right.



I've seen OLD characters fall for can flipping.

If CCP didn't want it as a part of the game, they would eliminate the mechanics. But they didn't.

They actually tweaked the mechanics to make it more 1v1 capable.


troll elsewhere


They don't, that's why you get a ban for flipping noobs. Also, troll alts can't complain about trolling. Roll



I doubt i get a ban stick for having this dead-head. when i've never trolled anyone's post on the forums. my threads and replies are always on topic

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2012-01-17 16:58:41 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
bait canning (IMO) involves you changing the name of your can to "free stuff" and popping noobs.

That is cowardice and foolish.

But stealing from a can and the person shooting at you for it, and you getting to fight him and any corpies that come along (by yourself) is not not bait canning.
It was a joke, it's actually called can baiting and is a reference to another thread.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-01-17 17:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
Mag's wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
quote me where i defended the right to can flip in rookie systems please. because i didn't.

Sure.
My Neutral Toon wrote:
I defend the right to can flip, regardless of location.




touche!

I shall watch my wording from now on


Edit:

I came to ask a question and get clarification. rant just a tad. I've done both.

You all may have this thread now! Keep telling me how bad can flipping is!

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#31 - 2012-01-17 18:03:11 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The only time GM's ever get involved is when you do this in the 1.0 security systems where newbies start out. Can baiting/harrassing newbies in their training systems is verboten.




I will have to ask where he was. It was not specified by my corp mate if it was in 1.0 or elsewhere. Although, Myself, and other corp mates alike, flipped for quite sometime in Jouvalen before moving to Amarr space and never once had been contacted by a GM. I understand if they do it just in newbie systems, since too many new characters get scarred away.

Is this a new thing?



Your CORP mates must be a bunch of arse hats for can flipping noobs in Newbie systems... Tell thier panzy asses to can flip me so they can get a pounding... 
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#32 - 2012-01-17 18:55:30 UTC
It's nothing todo with the sec of the system only the age of the player.

I Solo an orca in a high sec 0.0

Can flipped his hulk he flew off and came back in an orca! point 10 mins later he was dead.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#33 - 2012-01-17 19:04:27 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It's not a new thing, cowards have relied on killing noobs rather than doing real PvP since day one.


Cowards are still doing that, also war deccing high sec mining corps and then filling my tear bucket when they notice the corps can use the dec shield alliance and screw them over .

I just love all those "pro" and "hardcore" pvpers who won't even undock when you've got similar numbers.

Lets drink to noobs thinking they mastered eve pvp!

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#34 - 2012-01-17 20:57:25 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
It is not our fault that someone read the message that says "this person and their entire corp can shoot you", and they still clicked YES. This is now THEIR fault and any repercussions are no fault of our own.


This is CLASSIC anti-social personality disorder.

As to the first claim: It is YOUR fault this happens. This is the SOLE reason you do it, on the hope that someone will not realize what it is they are doing, and will click it without realizing the implications, on the desire just to get THEIR stuff back.

As to the second claim: How is it that they are responsible for YOUR conscious and independent actions? Just because someone is now a legal target does not mean that you MUST shoot them. Your ship does not auto lock them and your weapons do not automatically begin firing.


The symptoms of this disorder include:

Lack of concern regarding society’s rules and expectations
Repeated violations of the rights of others
Tendencies toward physical aggression and extreme irritability
Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another


Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-17 21:46:16 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:


quote me where i defended the right to can flip in rookie systems please. because i didn't.


My Neutral Toon wrote:
I defend the right to can flip, regardless of location

My Neutral Toon wrote:
regardless of location

My Neutral Toon wrote:
regardless of location

My Neutral Toon wrote:
regardless of location


I quoted it 4 times, just incase you missed the first one.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-17 21:50:22 UTC
leich wrote:
It's nothing todo with the sec of the system only the age of the player.


It actually has nothing to do with either. There's only 4 starting systems. You can flip cans in 1.0's all you like, as long as it's not a starter system.

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Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-01-17 22:22:29 UTC
Good to know as I had no idea that you couldn't do this. Although with few days old characters there's no point in it really. I'm after worthwhile kill mails and loot. Took out a Caldari Navy Raven yesterday - that was fun. But this was via salvaging and stealing loot in a mission as opposed to strictly can flipping. Getting them enraged so that they shoot you.

Yes I felt slightly bad, nonetheless I've had so many losses over the years at the hands of others - I don't have much pity for noobery anymore. Conflict and cruelty is inherent in this game. I view it as a teaching experience, albeit a rather bitter one for the loser - but one they won't forget. I've learned the Tao of EVE which in a sense is the Art of War. If you are fighting a fair fight then you've messed up. There's no honor in EVE, there's just victory or loss. Deception and speed are crucial in battle. When you are stronger, appear weaker. Take full advantage of their mistakes.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#38 - 2012-01-17 22:25:53 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
It is not our fault that someone read the message that says "this person and their entire corp can shoot you", and they still clicked YES. This is now THEIR fault and any repercussions are no fault of our own.


This is CLASSIC anti-social personality disorder.

As to the first claim: It is YOUR fault this happens. This is the SOLE reason you do it, on the hope that someone will not realize what it is they are doing, and will click it without realizing the implications, on the desire just to get THEIR stuff back.

As to the second claim: How is it that they are responsible for YOUR conscious and independent actions? Just because someone is now a legal target does not mean that you MUST shoot them. Your ship does not auto lock them and your weapons do not automatically begin firing.


The symptoms of this disorder include:

Lack of concern regarding society’s rules and expectations
Repeated violations of the rights of others
Tendencies toward physical aggression and extreme irritability
Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another



Roll OP deserves to get banned for flipping noobs, but shooting internet spaceships in a game about shooting internet spaceships is hardly indicative of being anti-social. If anything, given the framework of the game, it's quite social indeed.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-01-17 22:38:34 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It's not a new thing, cowards have relied on killing noobs rather than doing real PvP since day one.

Dude, slamming retards textually is even worse than killing newbies so technically you are even worse here

and if you reply, you prove my point! you can't win!
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#40 - 2012-01-17 22:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
If you search for grief play in the EULA, can baiting in starter systems is pretty much the only example given. ;)

From http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
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