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pfffftttt.......if y'all don't want miners to mine anymore, you should just say so......and take the ships out of the game....no need to train up to fly an orca or hulk anymore or a rorq,,,,,they cant survive......not where they need to anyways

Generally pleased with the patch.

Out of blind luck you hit two of my most common rides; the new Kitsune is adorable and looks like an EWAR platform; I'll miss the tall upper cooling shroud off the old Cheetah, but it's not so bad.

As for other ships, don't care for the exumer look at all--they look too madmax to me and their cpu changes (or lack their of) required some refitting. We also having one player complain of a performance hit (he's a multiminer) from the added effects.

Wish there was more consistency about posting future patches in developer notes.

Thank You for the overview changes. Complete words and readable presets to share with others--the value of this can't be overstated.

before 118.8 release ESC pressing close universe map or solar system map. now ESC open settings menu.
this is annoying as hell !
please revert it to pre-118.8 state.

The old map still closes correctly through Esc.

Or did you mean the new map's imitation ? Not sure about this one as I haven't really used this ... failure ... on my main in practice.

None the less, whether new or old, they can also be closed through their assigned shortcuts as well.

Did they remove the Papal sites? I hope so because I have been flying for over a fricken hour in highsec trying to find JUST ONE!

/sarcasmon

Thanks CCP for another great patch.

/sarcasmoff

BTW, thanks for the mining barge patch. Completely enjoying all the complaints about their mining barges and how they got gimped. No sarcasm, pure genuine joy right there...

Yes, i mean new universe map. For me new map is much better for navigation.

Heaven help you if you're a returner with a T1 mining barge after this "update". My procurer dropped from 2534M3 in 162s to just under 1400! That's a major hit! (for me at least)

just this. :D

Btw, the new skins are most of them just ******* ugly (especially the stilleto and the male)... Speaking of the stilleto, I just though that it looks like a bird that've just flown into a glass while flying quickly, when I first saw it ^^'

1.) This is not what I said. I mentioned how I don't think they stick true to their own design cheat-sheet, not that everything should look the same. Furthermore I mentioned how CCP appears to want to re-design Caldari as "Angular/techy/sleeker" which goes completely contrary against their decade-lasting design philosophy of blocky, bulky, edgy shapes which defined Caldari Culture. I disagree with the implementation of this redesign, but I can appreciate how some changes have been made well in regards to the original ship hull. I do admit how some ships were in dire need of an entire overhaul, so I welcomed the change of the Moa. Yet other redesigns haven't been very fitting.

Previously, All ships have stayed much in the same line before, but with the introduction of the new design philosophy we see severe discrepancies. The Caracal for example employs the triangular surfaces in a techy sleek style, whereas a very similar tech-style is completely different on the Blackbird and now on the sad thing that once was the glorious Griffin.

2.) No, I don't think of aircraft IRL. Because I don't need to, since we are in space and given that, we are in soft-scifi territory of a game. All aircraft need to follow first a practicality of aerodynamics while cramming in all their tech-related specs. If it doesn't lift off, it's a failure. Look at how heavy the NB-36H was, which was the prototype of testing feasibility and weight of shielding while carrying a nuclear reactor that was meant to power the aeroplane. Yet, we're in space. Not playing Kerbal Space Program, so design and style are a much greater factor.
I just need to point out how ridiculous and out of place the Mordu ships look like. A very unimaginative idea to copy-paste real-world aircraft design onto spaceships, really.

3.) While you would be correct how silhouettes are normally important to immediately distinguish different ships from one another, you're missing something. Who looks at the ship to determine what it is ingame when time is of the essence? Nobody. We look at our overview and give intel and judge priorities and force multipliers based on the ship type we see in written letters. In terms of playability and game mechanics the ships could look all look like Perry Rhodan spheres for all that matters. This is not the established style of EvE.

4.) In any game of quality which has different races, factions, tribes or whatchacall'em, you will see distinctive stylistic patterns and philosophies which are applied throughout the entire category. All old five eve Factions (Pre-trinity) had a very distinctive style to them. This style was preserved when Trinity went live. There have been some deviations to these established norms, but they have not been major and have been smoothed out in time. These changes have indeed been very good and were direly needed. The idea to make Caldari symmetric on a large scale was reasonable to distinguish them more from the - at times - asymmetric Gallente designs and Minmatar. The lopsided Minmatar ships were testament to their tinkering, the lopsided Gallente ships were testament to their freeform thinking and culture of individuality. Asymmetry is not something we generally associate with clockwork efficiency, which is what the Caldari are about. So it made sense to do away with it starting with Trinity, and going onward in other well done changes, like the Scorpion.

This yields back to your statement about Amarr. Naturally their ships look like they do, since they have to show flawless, regal appearances. It's a statement.

I'm not saying every design choice they made in the past is bad. As in the case of Amarr, the "fixing" of the Apocalypse was really necessary and welcomed. It made sense. Their respectful approach to the Dominix was also duly appreciated, albeit I don't understand what the big fuss with the Thrasher redesign was. Such a community outcry? Sounds like loudness still is king.
Furthermore I don't need to like every change, as long as it fits the theme. They've made changes I disliked personally, but I had to admit how they fit a better visual representation of the faction.

This batch of new ship designs does not look like they do their own design cheat-sheet justice.

I suppose the Barges and Exhumers look ok(ish)

I just find them all a bit...generic looking..

It's almost as if someone couldn't be bothered and just decided to add a bit here and there to each model..