Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know this may sound nutty to many players, but it would be very nice to be able to purposefully "forget" a skill.

The value of this comes in helping to "refocus" a character.

Currently, in the Character Bazaar, if you have a, say, 45M SP character focused on Minmatar PVP, but that character has injected and trained any Industry skills, the value drops to below that of an identical character without those Industry skills.

There is a certain aesthetic element to having pure focus in an area. This is especially true for filthy role players :)

I don't mean swapping the SP for other skills, but simply choosing to lose them by "forgetting" a certain skill book.

If this stresses the system somehow (caching of pre-computed skill matrices?) it could be minimized to being a part of the remap process.

This would help tremendously in buying, tuning, and reselling characters, and would keep immersion stronger for role players who want something very specific and can only find character that are close to their criteria.

Now I gave it a thought, its a very bad idea, and I don't support it.

I wish AB/MWD's could be clicked on and off at will like cloaks. Obviously cap usage would be per second rather than lumped at the start of a cycle. As for removing skills, why? Why would a character with industry 2 be worth less than one without it? Seems rather silly, especially since all older toons are going to have such skills. I never trained an industrial skill on this toon and yet I have mining lvl3 I think. That's just how characters were created back in 2007.

Ai Shun - it isn't market manipulation, as it's simply creating the product by giving up time invested. I don't think that preserving the specific training clarity of a single player matters from a market perspective. If you buy a jumbled 90M SP toon and pare it down to a focused (with all prerequisites still met) 25M SP toon, you will still likely lose ISK... Being able to toss out that errant Gallente frigate 3 skill for a hardcore Amarr player/purist/RP doesn't affect anything in the market as-is. This is just about being able to *destructively* remove skills.

You could have someone blow up a bunch of Tengus you're flying to reset all your Subsystems skills... not that you would... but the ability to choose to forget things seems like a nice, liberating feature. I think it could be a real boon for the market in general - just like the ability to change names would be...

You are right, but for the wrong reasons :)

It just adds another method for people to craft a great toon. If it devalues anything, it is the value created by "perfect" training. That value is a side effect, though, rather than innately valuable. In other words, when I have purchased a toon, I no longer care about the special clarity of the person who created it, but rather about the innate value of the character. It opens the market to competition, turnover, and improvements via recycling. I get that it devalues historical perfection, but nobody really cares about the order of operations or historical details of training itself - only about the end product.

Given that the owner gives up one of the most precious currencies in game (SP) it would be a hard pill to swallow. In fact, it would be easier to pop the bubble of "yes it's perfect but omg it can mine and even though I am only paying for PVP skills and the others are free they are there and omg omg omg it burns!!!" through marketing or creating a competitor to eveboard.

I think the market side effects would be small, positive or neutral, and avoidable. But the narrative possibilities expand.

That's all I will say about it. Just a idea.

No sorry if the post above referencing prerequisites was unclear. If you decided to "forget" gunnery, for example,m you would lose all dependent skills. That would be a nice shortcut, in fact, for clearing out faction knowledge for RP purposes.

Do you really think people who RP would do that?

Please train 'posting' to V before you reply to anything else.

@OP: No. EVE is a game of consequences. Deal with it.

Also, why do we need a mechanic to counter a metagame behaviour? Players being weird about buying alts is an attitude, not something CCP can fix.

I support this, as i have a medical condition Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I accidentally injected a skillbook i didn't mean to, and i even petitioned to ccp about it, there were 0 skill points in it and they wouldn't even remove it for me.

The one disadvantage of this would be, creating characters is an art, and a 50-60mil pure single race character with alot of specs and ship skills to 5, is a nice character, being able to fly quite a few ships from one race at 100% effectiveness, is worth more to me then being about to fly 4 races 95-97% effectiveness. And perfect characters like this, may be devalued. Which some value pure single race characters pretty well.

I would never buy a character if it was exactly what i was looking for, in a majority of skills, if it had hulks, or even just regular mining barges trained.

Its a stupid thought, that in such a futuristic game, that a little memory loss isn't possible.

My first character i created in 2005, i sold in 2008 once i had enough cash to put what i got from it together to buy a nice character with exactly what i wanted. Because the character was terribly trained, multiple races, mining, industry, production, science skills, plenty of level 5s in every type of section, and it was just terrible. If this option was possible back then, i would've wiped the skills i didn't want.