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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#1 - 2016-09-12 16:04:58 UTC
I put up some contracts to move something 10 jumps for 750K isk this works out to 75K per jump the volume was 43 m3 but got no takers in a 12 hour period, the got eve mail from someone who says my 75K is too low, I thought I was paying good but apparently I'm missing something if things have changed since I've been gone, a typical jump usually cost about 20K.

The freight; white glaze ice

The amount; 43m3

Collateral; 12 mil

So the way I calculated the collateral is this, white ice sells for an average of 250k per unit so to insure someone doesn't simply steal the stuff you always pad it a little more then it's estimated worth, I averaged the unit at 275K per unit so

43 units @ 275K =11,875,000 ISK

And so I rounded it off to 12 mil, I marked the contract as being white glaze ice and this could have easily gone into a Miasmos hold for a tier 1 pilot that could fly it.

Anyway, in the end I just moved it myself in the Miasmos no problem I just didn't feel like it last night.
Gaius Clabbacus
Control Alt Delve
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-09-12 17:44:13 UTC
First you may want to read up on the new refining and compression mechanics here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/. Compressed ice is much more convenient to move. Compression should be available for free at any citadel you can enter, and from my travels through high-sec I'd think you should be able to find an accessible citadel close to your starting point.

I'm not sure when you last played, but a 750k reward certainly doesn't have the same impact as it did in 2006. Several high-sec communities have devoted themselves to make high-sec a more interesting place to live (i.e. they suicide gank at will), so hauling has become a lot more dangerous. Join the ingame channel "Haulers Channel" or use http://red-frog.org/jumps.php, but generally the asking price for hauling starts at 1m/jump.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#3 - 2016-09-12 19:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
First you may want to read up on the new refining and compression mechanics here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/. Compressed ice is much more convenient to move. Compression should be available for free at any citadel you can enter, and from my travels through high-sec I'd think you should be able to find an accessible citadel close to your starting point.

I'm not sure when you last played, but a 750k reward certainly doesn't have the same impact as it did in 2006. Several high-sec communities have devoted themselves to make high-sec a more interesting place to live (i.e. they suicide gank at will), so hauling has become a lot more dangerous. Join the ingame channel "Haulers Channel" or use http://red-frog.org/jumps.php, but generally the asking price for hauling starts at 1m/jump.



Wow, things have changed, except for the typical gank, this has always been, however I had no ideal that that compression was a thing in the player stations.

What is the cost normally, I've done some trading with citadels but not much else, I will read up on their uses, find out who offers services like that, yeah compression would have made a big difference.

1 mil a jump...thats nuts. Thanks.
Gaius Clabbacus
Control Alt Delve
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-09-12 19:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaius Clabbacus
Compression is available at every citadel for free (per game design). So if you can dock you are good to go.

I stand corrected, see post below:
Quote:
Not every citadel ... only those that have the reprocessing service up and running.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#5 - 2016-09-12 19:40:58 UTC
As an additional point, courier packages can't be placed in the specialised hold of the Miasmos.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-09-12 19:48:08 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
First you may want to read up on the new refining and compression mechanics here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/. Compressed ice is much more convenient to move. Compression should be available for free at any citadel you can enter, and from my travels through high-sec I'd think you should be able to find an accessible citadel close to your starting point.

I'm not sure when you last played, but a 750k reward certainly doesn't have the same impact as it did in 2006. Several high-sec communities have devoted themselves to make high-sec a more interesting place to live (i.e. they suicide gank at will), so hauling has become a lot more dangerous. Join the ingame channel "Haulers Channel" or use http://red-frog.org/jumps.php, but generally the asking price for hauling starts at 1m/jump.



Wow, things have changed, except for the typical gank, this has always been, however I had no ideal that that compression was a thing in the player stations.

What is the cost normally, I've done some trading with citadels but not much else, I will read up on their uses, find out who offers services like that, yeah compression would have made a big difference.

1 mil a jump...thats nuts. Thanks.


Yeah, it's definitely the typical standard rate that is "nuts".

I can't believe people aren't jumping at the opportunity to travel 10 jumps for a sum that wouldn't cover my ammo for a single T1 frigate roam.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-09-12 20:28:17 UTC
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
Compression is available at every citadel for free (per game design). So if you can dock you are good to go.

Not every citadel ... only those that have the reprocessing service up and running.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#8 - 2016-09-13 01:19:52 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
First you may want to read up on the new refining and compression mechanics here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/. Compressed ice is much more convenient to move. Compression should be available for free at any citadel you can enter, and from my travels through high-sec I'd think you should be able to find an accessible citadel close to your starting point.

I'm not sure when you last played, but a 750k reward certainly doesn't have the same impact as it did in 2006. Several high-sec communities have devoted themselves to make high-sec a more interesting place to live (i.e. they suicide gank at will), so hauling has become a lot more dangerous. Join the ingame channel "Haulers Channel" or use http://red-frog.org/jumps.php, but generally the asking price for hauling starts at 1m/jump.



Wow, things have changed, except for the typical gank, this has always been, however I had no ideal that that compression was a thing in the player stations.

What is the cost normally, I've done some trading with citadels but not much else, I will read up on their uses, find out who offers services like that, yeah compression would have made a big difference.

1 mil a jump...thats nuts. Thanks.


Yeah, it's definitely the typical standard rate that is "nuts".

I can't believe people aren't jumping at the opportunity to travel 10 jumps for a sum that wouldn't cover my ammo for a single T1 frigate roam.



See there's a couple of things your not accounting for;

1. I'm back from a long absence, have to relearn 'the streets' again.

2. Not informed as to the inability of the ship to haul the ore while packaged.

3. 750,000K may be chump change for you but for a noob it might mean a new ship, or mods, which is why I split the contracts into a size (I thought would go in the hold), I wasn't looking for some vet who could move all 100 blocks at once, it would cut into the profit too much for it to be worth it for them and me, in the end I took it myself, I was going to work and didn't want to take the time to move it myself, however I had the time the following day.

Also, I've moved stuff for others and it was no mil per jump, I think ganks are over hyped, there's some area's to avoid in high sec and if you fly industrial ships you should learn them.
Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-09-13 07:11:08 UTC
My jump calculator is currently in development but should be done soon Cajun Fast Mart is a new freight company that will be delivering 2 Empire space only starting out. I'm trying to make the price is competitive while still making a profit it's difficult to settle on a price right now with all of the ganking going on. I agree that 1 million a jump seems excessive but when you consider the collateral involved in the amount of ganking it's hard to put a price for a job that's affordable for everyone.

I do not plan on exceeding volumes past 430 k M3 and above 100 km 3 you have to use freighter anytime one of Cajun Fast Mart employees undock a freighter I expect 4 the issuer of the contract to understand that each freighter is an investment and that there is collateral involved in their shipment so while I myself do not like as an issuer the cost per jump of 1 mil unless there is a trade route agreement which I am happy to negotiate with corporations for a reduced per jump rate I can only assume that the issuer of the contract needs the freight delivery quickly and that quote rates are based on that preconception

I have worked out trade route agreements with corporations at discounted rates because I understand that 1 million per jump is a high quote.

Some of the rates I've worked out 4 client have been profitable for Cajun Fast Mart and affordable for the issuer. Really it's just a matter of doing business with one another the quote calculator is simply a convenient and fast way to get something shipped priority anything else that needs to be moved on a regular basis can be negotiated
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2016-09-13 12:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Gaius Clabbacus wrote:
First you may want to read up on the new refining and compression mechanics here: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reprocess-all-the-things/. Compressed ice is much more convenient to move. Compression should be available for free at any citadel you can enter, and from my travels through high-sec I'd think you should be able to find an accessible citadel close to your starting point.

I'm not sure when you last played, but a 750k reward certainly doesn't have the same impact as it did in 2006. Several high-sec communities have devoted themselves to make high-sec a more interesting place to live (i.e. they suicide gank at will), so hauling has become a lot more dangerous. Join the ingame channel "Haulers Channel" or use http://red-frog.org/jumps.php, but generally the asking price for hauling starts at 1m/jump.



Wow, things have changed, except for the typical gank, this has always been, however I had no ideal that that compression was a thing in the player stations.

What is the cost normally, I've done some trading with citadels but not much else, I will read up on their uses, find out who offers services like that, yeah compression would have made a big difference.

1 mil a jump...thats nuts. Thanks.


Yeah, it's definitely the typical standard rate that is "nuts".

I can't believe people aren't jumping at the opportunity to travel 10 jumps for a sum that wouldn't cover my ammo for a single T1 frigate roam.



Haulers are idiots. They take absurd contracts at prices I would not even consider. I will give them one thing, however - they are useful idiots.

I do not hide my affiliation with the New Order, and there is a hauler that STILL takes my public contracts despite having lost something like a quarter trillion ISK to New Order gank fleets. They've never lost one of my contracts, but I've never actively tried to trap them either.

A typical contract might be to move the components used to build 100 interceptors collateralized at 2400m. I would rather the contract fails but I'm certainly not going to set a trap over ~500m profit.

My advice to someone considering a career as a courier is just don't. Ditto for mining. There are too many bots in the industry for you to compete, and too many people like me hunting you.

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On pricing: I set collateral at 120% of the cost of goods plus the opportunity cost of a delayed delivery. I pay about 1% of collateral for Jita to Dodixie (15j through highsec including the most dangerous highsec system, or 14j for the shorter, safer route through quiet lowsec). If the startpoint or endpoint isn't a hub I have to pay a bit more.

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