Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When we look at the information available for a ship or module, there is a tab that tells us what skills we need to learn before we can use it.

Proposal

1. Rename "Requirements" tab to "Relevant Skills".
2. Split the contents of that tab into "Requirements" and "Improvements" sections.

The "Improvements" section should contain all the skills that will improve the performance of the ship or item in some way

e.g. Reactive Armor Hardener

Requirements

• Hull Upgrades Level 3
• Mechanics Level 1

Improvements

• Resistance Phasing

Why?
This will be helpful to everyone.

Feedback

• Tab should keep the "Requirements" or "Required Skills" name
• Skills that improve the ship or module should be listed in a separate tab called something like "Affecting Skills"

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Just my thing maybe but I prefer this feature in 3rd party fitting tools. Because you can adjust levels to see what your are getting on skill trains to see how much you need to go for now. Get her up and running and tweak later kind of thing. Plus CCP's recommendations....have not always been the most accurate. Some will recall the old certificates, and how some made no sense.



Or the screen will start to get ugly fast. I'd be looking at the caldari jam rides. If I wrote this requirement screen, then added improvements section it get large real fast. Want to improve the falcon/scorpion/widow...well lets tell you how properly lol.

it be a laundry list of armour tank skills (basically all of them really), rigs (to enhance the jams, plus armour rigs)....basically a ton of stuff above caldari ship 5, spaceship command 5, etc.

Here's my questions:

Why do you need CCP to spoon feed you information?
Why are you unable to discuss these things with corpmates, or do research on your own?
Why should those who have invested the time and effort into learning these things now suddenly have all that flushed down the toilet?

I cannot see how changing the way the information is displayed in game could possibly affect the use of a 3rd party tools.
And I wonder why you think that changing them in game would affect those 3rd party tools.


Wondering how and why you think this change would be "spoon feeding" players information?
The information is already in the game all this idea does is present that information in a more concise manor and in the process could remove some of the confusion that surrounds skills in this game.


How is changing the way information is presented going to cause information, knowledge or skills learned to be "flushed down the toilet"? Of all the reasons one could used to argue against a change this one ranks in the top ten of useless and irrelevant.

Going back to the OP.
I like the basic idea, however changing "Requirement" to "Relevant" is not a good idea.
Relevant indicates that something is related to or associated with. While it is true that the skills currently listed are associated with the module or ship "relevant" does not accurately communicate the fact that these skill are "required" to be able to use the module or ship.

Wanting to preserve a slight advantage I have because I've taken the time to read through the skill descriptions to learn that skill x impacts module y or ship z is neither useless nor irrelevant.

As you said, the information is already in game. It is also very easy to find, as it's right there in the skill descriptions. Asking CCP to put all of this easily available information in one place is the very definition of having it spoon fed to you.

Since when is reading skill descriptions difficult?

Since gaming took on a paid to play aspect. In that you get the lucky few who get the blog and youtube hits to dumb down games to boost hits, to get paid more. Quick cheat sheet guides filled with great looking videos....but don't bog you down with facts as to why they work. just do this, it works. Okay? now like/subscribe me so I get paid more lol. This sadly works to get those hits. People like the cliffs notes feed it to me approach.

See it other games where when you look for a build you get a few results. Usually short and sweet for the attention deficit disorder crowd. Place like icy veins I will say tries to break this trend. They give the build...then a very thorough description on why and how it works.

But the attention deficit disorder crowd tends to skip the 5-10 minute reads, they go just give me build, words make my head hurt.. Seen in Diablo 3 groups play over a few seasons where I was dealing with some special players in pubs. Asked wtf there they running and why is it so bad.

Saw a few copied icy veins build (one D3 source for build)s, knew the build and had to go dude...did you even read the write up as you are using this build all wrong. You are doing everything it said not to do even.

Read the skills on market place. Looking at guns, go on down the line as an example. How I found controlled burst as a pure missile caldari pilot starting hybrid trains among others.

Also what I have done recently on a return from a year break.

Went to my fave skill book station/system...and on down the line read the skills. See whats new, see if needed/wanted. Saw I have to hit caps again for the damn weapon specializations and fighers too....sigh. Also did the same with another account I put on ice 3 years ago and thawed out this weekend. Read the lists, fair hunk of change since a lot changed in years. Take away for that char is I didn't assume my old bitter knowledge was valid. Good thing too....she has quite a list of books to catch up on.

Faster than blog reading in my case. That fun reserved for questions like wtf happened to my worm. I know....that's what she said.

Some cases yes. Only bombs and mgc need missile bombardment. No other item will list this skill as needed. Not using Mgc or training bomb launcher skill or not reading lists on market....no range for you potentially.

what does that have to do with making it easier to find this info by having it in two places. one of them being right on the mod info screen