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Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#21 - 2016-09-11 06:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Kailethre
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Neph wrote:
A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune?


If you ignore the massive amount that retire regardless of circumstance, then yes. I suppose being compatible with the pod interface doesn't mean you can actually stomach being a capsuleer.


Your first inspace pod death is usually the absolute worst, I know mine was. You wake up somewhere, disoriented, afraid, cold. Its traumatic. But it will happen guaranteed, probably happen some more.

But if you stick around long enough you get used to it. It is, after all, in a capsuleers nature to die.
As a result this entire topic is an overblown mess of engineered controversy made to further victimise Mimmatar pilots and demonise the Amarr.
There is no need for this. Can't we all get along?
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#22 - 2016-09-11 06:59:23 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Can't we all get along?


Yes.

All that people need to do, is embrace the One True Faith.

Then everyone will get along just fine.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#23 - 2016-09-11 07:22:56 UTC
An honorless slaver who thinks killing a nearly defenseless day old pilots is a-ok, hunky dory. Who'd have thunk it?!
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#24 - 2016-09-11 08:23:14 UTC
Man, I love engineered controversy. It's really a great thing when someone takes events that have plenty of nuance and other fine details and to simplify it specifically to further a strange and mysterious (read: missing) agenda. That being said, my first actions as a pilot definitely didn't involve flying into lowsec, or even a warzone. They involved mining... and sarcasm, and embarrassing myself on fluid routers in front of a lot of people.

You can already see, now that I re-read the thread, the beginnings of completely off-topic bickering between the factions so politely laid out to fight by our gracious OP (I need lessons, honestly) and people are already at each others' throats. So quick to anger! So quick to fight! It really is something, isn't it?

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2016-09-11 08:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ascentior
Decorum and bickering aside. The accusations laid out here are treated with great severity by PIE. We expect all of our pilots to behave in a manner befitting the service of those who came before us, and greater so the honour of serving the people of Amarr.
To write off such accusations would be as grave as committing them all over again.
However, as with most things of such import, they are best dealt directly with the parties involved, and not the agendas of those who would seek to damage (or bolster) the reputation of any of such parties.

It is saddening and not at all surprising to see the conversation turn as it has.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#26 - 2016-09-11 08:38:21 UTC
It's not to say the pilot under your banner hasn't done wrong. I'm glad that the higher ups (highest up?) at PIE recognizes this, as well, in addition to the other circumstances revolving this open-and-shut issue. It's nice to hear, at least.

Shame about the thread, though. It's likely going to get much, much worse in the coming days. That is the trend, lately!

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-09-11 12:00:55 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Neph wrote:
A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune?


If you ignore the massive amount that retire regardless of circumstance, then yes. I suppose being compatible with the pod interface doesn't mean you can actually stomach being a capsuleer.


Your first inspace pod death is usually the absolute worst, I know mine was. You wake up somewhere, disoriented, afraid, cold. Its traumatic. But it will happen guaranteed, probably happen some more.

But if you stick around long enough you get used to it. It is, after all, in a capsuleers nature to die.
As a result this entire topic is an overblown mess of engineered controversy made to further victimise Mimmatar pilots and demonise the Amarr.
There is no need for this. Can't we all get along?

You forgot Aura greeting you with: "Ahahaha, so you have died."
Luckily, she doesn't say it anymore.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Seraphea Vellastraan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-09-11 18:22:00 UTC
I was the pilot in question, and I only became aware of this just a short time ago.
This is not what I want, to be a symbol again, to be paraded about.
This is what I wanted to get away from.
I neither killed Lord Ardishapur, nor was I on Starkman Prime when it was destroyed. Maybe I share some connection with those events, but I don't really know.
I was actually in prayer and meditation trying to come to grips with it all when my ship was destroyed. Which is why I wasn't paying attention to the space around me. I was aware of the risks of going into low security space. My instructors were quite clear on that.
Please do not use me to further any agenda. I am sure Ms. Arrendis meant well. In the short time that I spent talking to her, I have found her to be a very nice person. However, I cannot endorse her original message. I ask everyone, please, not to have any outrage on my behalf.
The ship I was flying was a Reaper. I am given to understand they are so inexpensive that I will be given an supply of them, nearly unlimited should I need them. There was no crew aboard the ship, thank God. As for me, the cloning was successful. I am obviously here to make this statement.
It is quite possible that the Imperial pilot that saw me thought that I was threatening. If that is the case, I will make my apologies and do everything possible to avoid such a threatening behaviour in the future.
To the Honorable Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy, (Lord?) Admiral Ascentior, I offer my most sincere apologies that this happened. Ms. Arrendis's original message was not made upon my behalf. She and some other pilots were aware of the event because I was speaking to them over coms when it happened. I hope this has not created an incident.
Hakari Yazria
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2016-09-11 18:41:02 UTC
End of the day Arzad is a highly contested warzone, Any pilot that is not freindly is smartly and rightly considered Hostile, I am sure if the Pilot had contacted PIE, or hell even myself we would of made sure she was safe, as she didnt If he hadnt removed her from the system I would of.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-09-11 19:19:23 UTC
Seraphea Vellastraan wrote:
I was the pilot in question, and I only became aware of this just a short time ago.
This is not what I want, to be a symbol again, to be paraded about.
This is what I wanted to get away from.
I neither killed Lord Ardishapur, nor was I on Starkman Prime when it was destroyed. Maybe I share some connection with those events, but I don't really know.
I was actually in prayer and meditation trying to come to grips with it all when my ship was destroyed. Which is why I wasn't paying attention to the space around me. I was aware of the risks of going into low security space. My instructors were quite clear on that.
Please do not use me to further any agenda. I am sure Ms. Arrendis meant well. In the short time that I spent talking to her, I have found her to be a very nice person. However, I cannot endorse her original message. I ask everyone, please, not to have any outrage on my behalf.
The ship I was flying was a Reaper. I am given to understand they are so inexpensive that I will be given an supply of them, nearly unlimited should I need them. There was no crew aboard the ship, thank God. As for me, the cloning was successful. I am obviously here to make this statement.
It is quite possible that the Imperial pilot that saw me thought that I was threatening. If that is the case, I will make my apologies and do everything possible to avoid such a threatening behaviour in the future.
To the Honorable Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy, (Lord?) Admiral Ascentior, I offer my most sincere apologies that this happened. Ms. Arrendis's original message was not made upon my behalf. She and some other pilots were aware of the event because I was speaking to them over coms when it happened. I hope this has not created an incident.

I am sorry about your loss, ma'am. Although I strongly disagree with your estimation of Pilot Arrendis, I have known her for longer term, unfortunately.

I see you are a spiritual person, I would recommend you to use your CONCORD assigned quarters to meditate. Hydrostatic capsules are combat ships and losing control over them in any part of space, even assumingly safe, can lead to undesirable consequences.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
William Danneskjold
#31 - 2016-09-11 21:04:47 UTC
I look at this and I laugh heartily. A goon? Concerned? My first podkill on my old capsuleer license was being killed by Goons while trying to ask why they were shooting me. I find it more likely you were simply trying to stir a pot. I'll be watching the pot with interest to see if it provides any entertainment.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#32 - 2016-09-11 21:25:42 UTC
Mm, no, I think with the wise post of the actual pilot involved in this incident, Arrendis has just ran out of cards to play in her engineered controversy. Not like it's the first or last time she's stirred the pot on the IGS over some trivial fedo crap only to be schooled on her ignorance of the situation/circumstance and faux concern, however.

Alas for the IGS vultures, I think this particular pantomine is all wrapped up. I'm sure however the OP got some kinda weird kick out of the attempt atleast.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Arrendis
TK Corp
#33 - 2016-09-11 21:38:59 UTC
You know, Utari, I expect that kind of reaction out of Kim. For all her claims, she knows far less about me than she thinks. But you? You've flown with me. You should know that things are never so easily dismissed as that.

Ms. Vellastraan, I sincerely appreciate your desire to not be used a symbol or rallying cry of some sort. This was not that. Had I been able to include a copy of the kill without your name, I would have. This was simply about holding people accountable, and demonstrating the predictably callous responses from your assailant and many of his allies, to whom every single person in the cluster is merely another kill credit waiting for an excuse.

Lt. Kernher: I know. But needs must, I'm afraid.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2016-09-11 23:37:05 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Neph wrote:
A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune?


If you ignore the massive amount that retire regardless of circumstance, then yes. I suppose being compatible with the pod interface doesn't mean you can actually stomach being a capsuleer.


Your first inspace pod death is usually the absolute worst, I know mine was. You wake up somewhere, disoriented, afraid, cold. Its traumatic. But it will happen guaranteed, probably happen some more.

But if you stick around long enough you get used to it. It is, after all, in a capsuleers nature to die.
As a result this entire topic is an overblown mess of engineered controversy made to further victimise Mimmatar pilots and demonise the Amarr.
There is no need for this. Can't we all get along?

Well I have died about 4,000 times 3,995 of those were as a mercenary and even my first death wasn't that traumatic and the same is true for many of my mercenary friends who became cappsuleers
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#35 - 2016-09-11 23:58:19 UTC
This "engineered controversy" could have been avoided if the pilot in question would have bothered to do even the most cursory check of the pilots credentials they were about to shoot - I do not know the exacts of the situation at the time of the incident, but I dare to assume the "PIE-lot" was not in any immediate danger, or if he was he should've had more pressing matters to attend to than probing out Reapers.
There is only one person to blame here, and it is not pilot Arrendis or pilot Vellastraan.


And while Khadrea's Law might not extend outside planetary atmosphere, it does not mean that the planet should be recklessly endangered by creating large chunks of space junk on its orbit either. Pilot Arrendis was well within her rights to be dismayed on the act, and I will add that I do consider pilot Vellums actions in very poor taste.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#36 - 2016-09-12 05:16:45 UTC
So, a militia pilot, in the warzone, shot an unidentified bogey, without a great deal of investigative effort to establish the identity and purpose of said bogey.

Gosh.

Down with the False Emperor !

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Enslave the savages !

This is why there can be no peace with the State.

Free Minmatar ! With every pitchfork and flaming torch riot starter set !

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#37 - 2016-09-12 13:24:14 UTC
Seraphea Vellastraan wrote:
I was the pilot in question, and I only became aware of this just a short time ago.
This is not what I want, to be a symbol again, to be paraded about.
This is what I wanted to get away from.
I neither killed Lord Ardishapur, nor was I on Starkman Prime when it was destroyed. Maybe I share some connection with those events, but I don't really know.
I was actually in prayer and meditation trying to come to grips with it all when my ship was destroyed. Which is why I wasn't paying attention to the space around me. I was aware of the risks of going into low security space. My instructors were quite clear on that.
Please do not use me to further any agenda. I am sure Ms. Arrendis meant well. In the short time that I spent talking to her, I have found her to be a very nice person. However, I cannot endorse her original message. I ask everyone, please, not to have any outrage on my behalf.
The ship I was flying was a Reaper. I am given to understand they are so inexpensive that I will be given an supply of them, nearly unlimited should I need them. There was no crew aboard the ship, thank God. As for me, the cloning was successful. I am obviously here to make this statement.
It is quite possible that the Imperial pilot that saw me thought that I was threatening. If that is the case, I will make my apologies and do everything possible to avoid such a threatening behaviour in the future.
To the Honorable Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy, (Lord?) Admiral Ascentior, I offer my most sincere apologies that this happened. Ms. Arrendis's original message was not made upon my behalf. She and some other pilots were aware of the event because I was speaking to them over coms when it happened. I hope this has not created an incident.

If you were indeed there just to visit Arzad 2 and nothing more then I'm truly sorry, so please accept my deepest apologies.

The thing is nearby system was under siege and you were sitting in d-scan range from the only station for an extended amount of time, so it was assumed that you served as eyes for the hostile fleet and posed an intel threat. Checking your credentials would have changed nothing because they can be easily forged and intel channel didn't confirm you as a friendly when information was requested. This should in full answer the question you made that day.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-09-12 20:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Why any of it concerns a goon?


Edit: resolved

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#39 - 2016-09-12 22:21:09 UTC
Ok, lets see if I got this stright: Aldrith is still scum, a rookie Amarrian pilot got blown up, rookie pilot did the religious thing and forgave them, Arrendis is manufacturing problems that don't exist, and all is still as it always has been in the cluster. Am I missing anything?

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#40 - 2016-09-12 22:34:55 UTC
That's it in a nut shell. An Amarr killed an Amarr in a relatively understandable (to anyone who flies in combat) situation.
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