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Why do people assume how we play the game reflects us in real life?

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#321 - 2016-09-11 13:35:03 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:

John deep
Marie strend
John Konie
Jonny Konie
Johnsin Konie
Jonathan Konie
Jonathin Konie
Jim Konie
Jimmi Konie
Jimmy Konie
Jin Konie
Jinny Konie
Jinnny Konie

And how is that a problem?

Assuming you are still hung up on how many alts some of them multibox, allow me to provide you with 2 pieces of relevant information:


#1 - Alts are allowed in EVE. In fact, more than that, they are *actively encouraged* and *forcefully advertised* by CCP themselves - so they are never going to have a problem with someone for having too many alts...They just wish you would start more yourself.

#2 - Yes, they run all those alts without running any "bots", "scripts", or input cloning software. In fact, one of the best known ones STREAMS his 12-alt ganking live on twitch - so you can see exactly how he does it. I recommend you watch him for a while before you continue on this conspiracy theory - I can guarantee you that CCP has watched it, and they'll take the evidence of what they can see over your empty ramblings every time.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#322 - 2016-09-11 14:01:14 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:

John deep
Marie strend
John Konie
Jonny Konie
Johnsin Konie
Jonathan Konie
Jonathin Konie
Jim Konie
Jimmi Konie
Jimmy Konie
Jin Konie
Jinny Konie
Jinnny Konie

And how is that a problem?

Assuming you are still hung up on how many alts some of them multibox, allow me to provide you with 2 pieces of relevant information:


#1 - Alts are allowed in EVE. In fact, more than that, they are *actively encouraged* and *forcefully advertised* by CCP themselves - so they are never going to have a problem with someone for having too many alts...They just wish you would start more yourself.

#2 - Yes, they run all those alts without running any "bots", "scripts", or input cloning software. In fact, one of the best known ones STREAMS his 12-alt ganking live on twitch - so you can see exactly how he does it. I recommend you watch him for a while before you continue on this conspiracy theory - I can guarantee you that CCP has watched it, and they'll take the evidence of what they can see over your empty ramblings every time.




I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.

What I suggest to the person ganked by several ships is, when they suspect bots are used, to report, then it will be CCP to verify if bots were used or not.

If I remember well I saw a forum ( or reddit, I don't remember) saying a CODE player was banned for botting and I saw players insulting with every possible words everyone that was "happy" for it.

So I would keep suggesting a report if you have any reasonable doubt a bot has been used...
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#323 - 2016-09-11 14:14:51 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
[I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.

What I suggest to the person ganked by several ships is, when they suspect bots are used, to report, then it will be CCP to verify if bots were used or not.

If I remember well I saw a forum ( or reddit, I don't remember) saying a CODE player was banned for botting and I saw players insulting with every possible words everyone that was "happy" for it.

So I would keep suggesting a report if you have any reasonable doubt a bot has been used...

If you think they are botting absolutely report them. It *has* happened - that is why they no longer do it.

However I *also* recommend you watch the stream I linked some time so you can *see* how it is possible to run 12 accounts without cheating.

Not asking you to support or donate to him - but watch him for a bit - it will be educational.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#324 - 2016-09-11 16:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Unless a person is reading from a script or having their actions directed by a director, then his actions originate from within him.

Performing an action is evidence that you are a person who thinks of and then performs said action.

If you've posted in this thread an obsessive amount of times, then you are a person who posts in threads an obsessive amount of times. An obsessive person.

It is the person in question who has ultimate responsibility for his actions. If he is "pretending", he is still the originator of said actions and therefore ultimately held responsible for the actions he takes.

p.s. Another exemption would be soldiers in a conscripted army. Having been told to join a military rather than electing to join of one's own accord, then having to perform in an certain manner to preserve one's self.
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#325 - 2016-09-11 16:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Lucy Lollipops wrote:


Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:

John deep
Marie strend
John Konie
Jonny Konie
Johnsin Konie
Jonathan Konie
Jonathin Konie
Jim Konie
Jimmi Konie
Jimmy Konie
Jin Konie
Jinny Konie
Jinnny Konie



The scout Teckos Pech talks about, would still solve this "problem" though. The trick is not jumpig into them at all, or using a webbing alt. If you don't like using alts, do like I used to do in the good old days. exit ship dock up in new station, get free rookie ship, jump through check local in Uedema and decide if want to jump or not. If local is clear they don't get ready in the minute it takes you to go back, and switch back to your original ship.

I cannot stop wondering though: how does your reply relate to what you quoted from Teckos? I think you are a derailing, as the OP is "why do people assume how we play the game reflects us in real life?", not the classical CODE whine thread.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#326 - 2016-09-11 17:04:47 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
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It is the person in question who has ultimate responsibility for his actions. If he is "pretending", he is still the originator of said actions and therefore ultimately held responsible for the actions he takes.



In real life, yes. But if you don't do the actions from EVE in real life (Which I think would be most of the players), there is nothing to be held responsible for, as pixel scennanigans are not breaking any real life law. If you start threathening people outside of the game for example, you can be held responsible, but not for scamming ISk from someone in game or ganking. This is what people have been saying through the whole thread, there is nothing supporting that people doing shady stuff ingame, also does it in real life.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#327 - 2016-09-11 17:50:20 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
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It is the person in question who has ultimate responsibility for his actions. If he is "pretending", he is still the originator of said actions and therefore ultimately held responsible for the actions he takes.



In real life, yes. But if you don't do the actions from EVE in real life (Which I think would be most of the players), there is nothing to be held responsible for, as pixel scennanigans are not breaking any real life law. If you start threathening people outside of the game for example, you can be held responsible, but not for scamming ISk from someone in game or ganking. This is what people have been saying through the whole thread, there is nothing supporting that people doing shady stuff ingame, also does it in real life.


EvE exists within real life.

Someone who demonstrates a propensity to participate in "shady" actions online demonstrates capability of performing "shady" acts offline.

It's not absolute, nothing is, but it establishes precedent.

If my ship is blown up and I call you a **** and tell you I hope you contract a disease and die from it, then it establishes that I'm a person who is capable of wishing harm upon those who I perceive as harming me.

None of this is definitive. None of it is certainty.

But it does answer the question why we "assume" how people play the game is how they are in real life. Because it shows at least one instance where the person thought said actions were justifiable, which means they very well might attribute that line of reasoning to other aspects of their "real life", since EvE takes place within said person's "real life".
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2016-09-11 17:54:45 UTC
Except that person did not blow up your spaceship in real life and you just told them to do something unpleasant to their mother, who more than likely exists

Art of Explosions
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#329 - 2016-09-11 18:17:21 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Except that person did not blow up your spaceship in real life and you just told them to do something unpleasant to their mother, who more than likely exists

Well, within real life, that person did blow up your internet space ship. In real life, an internet space ship was blown up.

An action did take place, now whether or not that action truly matters is not up to me.

But either way, I'm not condemning either party, only explaining why.

I personally make the choice to never steal. Because I make the choice to never steal, regardless of the medium, I choose to associate with those who share that same value. Because of my affinity for said value, I wish to not associate with those who act in a manner contrary to my personal belief.

But you do what you want.

It's a game. Granted that game takes place in real life, but if you want to pretend that the time you spend in game doesn't exist and you are literally no longer yourself and another being, by all means knock yourself out! Have a blast!
I guess it's like role-playing IRL that you're jacking into the internet space ship matrix.

Sounds fun!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#330 - 2016-09-11 18:35:36 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Glathull wrote:
I don't think that makes any of the activities in question inherently bad. We all know the risks when we log in.


No. All of us clearly do NOT know the risks. If we did CODE. would not be out ganking freighters with 8 billion ISK worth of cargo.

The very fact that ganking exists indicates that people are completely unaware of the risks. So...should they be angry at the person who has ruined all that time they have spent "building something" or should they be angry at themselves for their own ignorance?

Many of these players play as if they are in a space simulator with a bunch of NPCs. They do not pay attention to ANYTHING when it comes to their game play and being prudent. CODE. makes no effort at all to hide what they are. None. When there were Burn Jita events freighters came in fat and stupid even though there was literally zero effort to hide these events. In fact, they were openly discussed on numerous websites days and weeks before they happened.

These players want to play in a cocoon of ignorance and then rage when it bites them in the ass. These players cannot even be arsed to use a ****ing scout. A guy in a freaking noob ship could solve alot of their problems. "Hey, there are a lot of CODE guys online in Uedama, dock up, dock up!!" Or even noting there is a large number of people with criminal timers in system.

No, they overload their freighter, then of they go with a giant "KICK ME!!!" sign they stuck on their of ****ing back and then wonder "WTF, why are they bumping me!?! Why are THEY SHOOTING ME!?!?!?"

If I could have less than zero sympathy for them I would.


Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:

John deep
Marie strend
John Konie
Jonny Konie
Johnsin Konie
Jonathan Konie
Jonathin Konie
Jim Konie
Jimmi Konie
Jimmy Konie
Jin Konie
Jinny Konie
Jinnny Konie



So? They're not that imaginative at naming their alts. BFD.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#331 - 2016-09-11 18:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Divine Entervention wrote:
Unless a person is reading from a script or having their actions directed by a director, then his actions originate from within him.

Performing an action is evidence that you are a person who thinks of and then performs said action.

If you've posted in this thread an obsessive amount of times, then you are a person who posts in threads an obsessive amount of times. An obsessive person.

It is the person in question who has ultimate responsibility for his actions. If he is "pretending", he is still the originator of said actions and therefore ultimately held responsible for the actions he takes.

p.s. Another exemption would be soldiers in a conscripted army. Having been told to join a military rather than electing to join of one's own accord, then having to perform in an certain manner to preserve one's self.


What a load of complete horsecrap.

Just to be clear what this guy is saying is that a writer like Thomas Harris harbors a desire to be a serial killer. Every writer of murder mysteries has a greater capacity to commit murder.

This errant nonsense. People are quite able to separate fantasy from reality.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#332 - 2016-09-11 19:01:25 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:

I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.


So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone.

It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#333 - 2016-09-11 19:03:37 UTC
They do?

This is not a signature.
Ginger Naari
Doomheim
#334 - 2016-09-11 19:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Naari
Elite Harvester wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:

I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.


So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone.

It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight.



Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do.

You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should...
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#335 - 2016-09-11 19:39:23 UTC
Ginger Naari wrote:

Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do.

You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should...

One key press and a mouse click per account. Press F1, click on target in overview, profit.

It takes a split second to swap between EVE windows. If you take any longer than that then maybe you need more practice. Blink

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#336 - 2016-09-11 19:44:33 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:

John deep
Marie strend
John Konie
Jonny Konie
Johnsin Konie
Jonathan Konie
Jonathin Konie
Jim Konie
Jimmi Konie
Jimmy Konie
Jin Konie
Jinny Konie
Jinnny Konie


Are you saying anyone that multi boxes is an ******** IRL?

That's the subject of this thread and you are claiming the problem is multiboxing.

There's some miners you might want to go chat to then. They aren't representing the profession very well if that's what you're saying.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#337 - 2016-09-11 20:05:41 UTC
Ginger Naari wrote:
Elite Harvester wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:

I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.


So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone.

It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight.



Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do.

You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should...


It does take time, but not as long as you'd think. Even with a couple seconds in between accounts you'll still melt someone pretty fast. Once you warp your squad with guns primed it's just a matter of getting each toon to lock the target
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#338 - 2016-09-11 20:25:14 UTC
Did it ever occur to you what we do in game might fill a void, something we can't have in real life? For some perhaps a shot at being successful, independent, strong, free?

A second chance, so to speak?
Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#339 - 2016-09-11 21:02:15 UTC
If I play a bad guy in a First person shooter does that mean im a terrorist in real life?

If an actor is acting as a terrorist in a movie does that make him a terrorist in real life?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#340 - 2016-09-11 21:04:13 UTC
Chapo Muerte wrote:
If I play a bad guy in a First person shooter does that mean im a terrorist in real life?

If an actor is acting as a terrorist in a movie does that make him a terrorist in real life?


Apparently the answers are yes and yes. You are a bad person.

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8 Golden Rules for EVE Online