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So highsec mining might need code...

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Scath Bererund
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-09-11 13:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Scath Bererund
Bit of a click bait title but hear me out...

I recently had a wander around highsec and noticed where once there where fleets of hulks and covs there are now only procs and skiffs. Even when supported by an orca the hulk is pretty much extinct.

Started to wonder why. Thinking back to my first encounter with a suicide ganker i was a newbie fresh into my first barge. A covertor. Solo jetcan minimg in a 0.5 system. Needless to say the cat melted my barge. After having a convo with the ganker i was told about how profitable covs are to gankers. And how i should alter my play style to make myself "not worth the effort"

So after that incident i had a much better idea of skills needed, ships to fly and so on. I bought a proc. Tanked the thing as best i could and went back to mining never bothered by gankers again.

One small problem. The soft targets (hulk and cov) need constant micro management. The proc just sits there until it fills up. Meaning i either tabbed out or went afk.

Thats what seems to have happened in highsec. No one flies the busy ships because they weak and the stronger ships need little to no micro management. So as a result miners arnt at thier keyboards. The dont start convos in local. They dont form a comunity. To me this seems wrong.

The way i see it there are 2 possable solutions CCP and CODE

1: ccp needs to a bit of a swap with the barges. The tanky bricks should be micro management heavy and the tinfoil ships more "afk ish" this might keep people at thier keyboards and interacting with each other.

2: CODE right now code targets the paper barges. And who can blame them? Easy money. If code where to make a point of killing procs and skiffs (yeah i know how many ships that would take) and leave the hulks and covs alone it might kickstart a comunity in highsec.


Any thoughts anyone?
Serene Repose
#2 - 2016-09-11 14:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
If "pirating" were treated like a hefty crime with hefty penalties like hefty fines that took a majority of the pirates ISK if the pirate wished to continue to consort with law abiding citizens....

If pirates couldn't dock, or use jump gates in any system the sovereignty of the offended faction until said crime was adjudicated....

THEN, the REAL pirates who're rebels against society, and too cool to live amongst the conditioned respondents would be doin' the piratin', and the jackasses doing blindlingly repetitive "play" 'cause they are weird people with two-dimensional thinking and need to be led along by the hand into more dynamic activities using the game EVE and not just some WoW, GANK THE NOOB traditionalist....being allowed to play WoW in EVE....

AFK mining is done with scripts. If CCP wanted to ban scripts, and make them ineffectual, they could. They haven't. They have their reasons why...which have nothing to do with us. SO...afk play is a dead discussion before it gets out the gate.

"Allowing" threads such as these could very well be a way CCP lets us pretend we're actually discussing the game
on "our forum" (access to which we pay for as part of our contract with CCP.)

None of this is rocket science requiring convoluted engineering. It just takes a couple of tweaks of variables in the code.

Presto!

(Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm....")

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#3 - 2016-09-11 14:02:17 UTC
It amazes me to no end that a percentile of the population insist upon forcing others to change how they want to play a sandbox game.

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"

Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#4 - 2016-09-11 14:24:33 UTC
I too, grr CODE instead of staying on topic.

@OP, Since people are going to gravitate to AFK mining no matter what the changes are, you won't get the intended outcome. We have the prospect and endurance for people that don't want to afk, and yet they don't even show up in the list of top mining ships.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#5 - 2016-09-11 14:59:03 UTC
Problem is not the ship, but people going AFK or not paying enough attention to the game. This happens not only with mineta but null ratters and missions runners and all that. I always say this, but people who do 'play at keyboard' do high end PVE with bling stuff and have pretty good income and less loss in much more dangerous spaces, like those that PVE in WH or do null escalations and such. My exhumers use minimal tank when I do mine sometimes, because I don't do afk. I've been ganked in a mining ship only once in past seven years, and that was because I went afk in high sec, and I've done lots of mining in low/null/wh. So yes, going afk in highsec is actually more dangerous than mining in WH if you pay attention.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-09-11 15:51:18 UTC
Toobo wrote:
Problem is not the ship, but people going AFK or not paying enough attention to the game......



I think this attitude is what makes much of this community such ass-hats at times.

Some people actually have lives and this notion that if you are logged in and in space you cannot leave the KB and should be somehow punished if you dare to is simply astounding.

Get a life:
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to take a crap.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to talk to my kids in a different room.
I'm not going to dock ever time I want a snack.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to let the dog out

I'm not going to dock ever time for what ever just so others can feel at ease that every character is in game and ready to be interacted with.

I realize all of this comes from the notion that you shouldn't be able to make isk without direct interaction from the game, but seriously, get over it, buy some plex. You have to be making something like a buck fiffy an hr to make it worth your time to mine in game versus buying plex from time to time.

How much time someone else is paying attention to this game is one of the most childish things to be worried about. And trying to punish people for needing to leave the game for a few to do something in their daily life is just, well it shows how much of a life some don't have frankly.



Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2016-09-11 16:01:12 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Problem is not the ship, but people going AFK or not paying enough attention to the game......



I think this attitude is what makes much of this community such ass-hats at times.

Some people actually have lives and this notion that if you are logged in and in space you cannot leave the KB and should be somehow punished if you dare to is simply astounding.

Get a life:
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to take a crap.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to talk to my kids in a different room.
I'm not going to dock ever time I want a snack.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to let the dog out
I'm not going to dock ever time for what ever just so others can feel at ease that every character is in game and ready to be interacted with.

I realize all of this comes from the notion that you shouldn't be able to make isk without direct interaction from the game, but seriously, get over it, buy some plex. You have to be making something like a buck fiffy an hr to make it worth your time to mine in game versus buying plex from time to time.

How much time someone else is paying attention to this game is one of the most childish things to be worried about. And trying to punish people for needing to leave the game for a few to do something in their daily life is just, well it shows how much of a life some don't have frankly.



It's a PvP game, would you go AFK in any other PvP game and expect to be left alone?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2016-09-11 16:32:00 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Problem is not the ship, but people going AFK or not paying enough attention to the game......



I think this attitude is what makes much of this community such ass-hats at times.

Some people actually have lives and this notion that if you are logged in and in space you cannot leave the KB and should be somehow punished if you dare to is simply astounding.

Get a life:
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to take a crap.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to talk to my kids in a different room.
I'm not going to dock ever time I want a snack.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to let the dog out



I do and I have two kids, a small wild animal that hisses at me tries to claw at my eyes and a cat .

If you need to go afk, dock up.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#9 - 2016-09-11 16:37:48 UTC
i am however very concerned Ralph that you have a cat and what sounds like a Honeybadger living in the same house, won't someone think of the children?

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-09-11 16:42:23 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
... I have two kids, a small wild animal that hisses at me tries to claw at my eyes ...

why are you being redundant, though? Blink




Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#11 - 2016-09-11 16:56:06 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
I think this attitude is what makes much of this community such ass-hats at times.

Some people actually have lives and this notion that if you are logged in and in space you cannot leave the KB and should be somehow punished if you dare to is simply astounding.

Get a life:
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to take a crap.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to talk to my kids in a different room.
I'm not going to dock ever time I want a snack.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to let the dog out

I'm not going to dock ever time for what ever just so others can feel at ease that every character is in game and ready to be interacted with.

I realize all of this comes from the notion that you shouldn't be able to make isk without direct interaction from the game, but seriously, get over it, buy some plex. You have to be making something like a buck fiffy an hr to make it worth your time to mine in game versus buying plex from time to time.

How much time someone else is paying attention to this game is one of the most childish things to be worried about. And trying to punish people for needing to leave the game for a few to do something in their daily life is just, well it shows how much of a life some don't have frankly.


We all have lives, you condescending walnut. That's fine if you play that way, just don't whine when you lose ships. Slap a cloak on your ship and cloak up when you want a snack. It takes literally 5 seconds
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2016-09-11 17:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
a small wild animal that hisses at me tries to claw at my eyes
That's no way to talk about the wife Twisted

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#13 - 2016-09-11 17:33:24 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Toobo wrote:
Problem is not the ship, but people going AFK or not paying enough attention to the game......



I think this attitude is what makes much of this community such ass-hats at times.

Some people actually have lives and this notion that if you are logged in and in space you cannot leave the KB and should be somehow punished if you dare to is simply astounding.

Get a life:
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to take a crap.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to talk to my kids in a different room.
I'm not going to dock ever time I want a snack.
I'm not going to dock ever time I need to let the dog out

I'm not going to dock ever time for what ever just so others can feel at ease that every character is in game and ready to be interacted with.

I realize all of this comes from the notion that you shouldn't be able to make isk without direct interaction from the game, but seriously, get over it, buy some plex. You have to be making something like a buck fiffy an hr to make it worth your time to mine in game versus buying plex from time to time.

How much time someone else is paying attention to this game is one of the most childish things to be worried about. And trying to punish people for needing to leave the game for a few to do something in their daily life is just, well it shows how much of a life some don't have frankly.

Well. I do all that, which you do not consider worth doing. This is an mmo after all. I don't have kids, but I have other relatives that require looking after every now and then. As strange as this may sound in anonymous internet times, to me this is still nothing less than a question of behaviour.

This may come from my background as a semi hardcore progress raider back before I left WoW for EVE, because I couldn't afford three or more contiguous hours of playtime any more.

So yes I do have a life. You still won't find me sitting afk out there. And it doesn't matter, what I'm actually doing in that moment.

I maybe won't respond within those 5-10 seconds CODE promotes and which I find somewhat ridiculous. But out in space, you usually will get a response from me within a reasonable timeframe of a couple of minutes.

Now tell me, is that an ass-hat attitude, if I expect from other players something that's not too far off in an mmo sandbox game?

Remove standings and insurance.

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#14 - 2016-09-11 17:43:35 UTC
Scath Bererund wrote:
Any thoughts anyone?

People have done, what CCP (and CODE Blink) expected them to do: Choose the right tool for the job they want done.

Yes, maybe barges can do with another revamp sometime. But I'd rather see CCP concentrate there resources on more important or pressing matters at the moment. Overall barges are still fine and the concepts are working mostly.

Remove standings and insurance.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#15 - 2016-09-11 17:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Scath Bererund wrote:

Any thoughts anyone?



Doc hopes if dogs ever take over the world and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because there are probably some Chihuahuas out there with some good ideas.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#16 - 2016-09-11 18:10:12 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Scath Bererund wrote:

Any thoughts anyone?



Doc hopes if dogs ever take over the world and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because there are probably some bad-ass Chihuahuas out there with some good ideas.

/fixed Big smile

Remove standings and insurance.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#17 - 2016-09-11 18:19:20 UTC
Scath Bererund wrote:
Bit of a click bait title but hear me out...

I recently had a wander around highsec and noticed where once there where fleets of hulks and covs there are now only procs and skiffs. Even when supported by an orca the hulk is pretty much extinct.

Started to wonder why. Thinking back to my first encounter with a suicide ganker i was a newbie fresh into my first barge. A covertor. Solo jetcan minimg in a 0.5 system. Needless to say the cat melted my barge. After having a convo with the ganker i was told about how profitable covs are to gankers. And how i should alter my play style to make myself "not worth the effort"

So after that incident i had a much better idea of skills needed, ships to fly and so on. I bought a proc. Tanked the thing as best i could and went back to mining never bothered by gankers again.

One small problem. The soft targets (hulk and cov) need constant micro management. The proc just sits there until it fills up. Meaning i either tabbed out or went afk.

Thats what seems to have happened in highsec. No one flies the busy ships because they weak and the stronger ships need little to no micro management. So as a result miners arnt at thier keyboards. The dont start convos in local. They dont form a comunity. To me this seems wrong.

The way i see it there are 2 possable solutions CCP and CODE

1: ccp needs to a bit of a swap with the barges. The tanky bricks should be micro management heavy and the tinfoil ships more "afk ish" this might keep people at thier keyboards and interacting with each other.

2: CODE right now code targets the paper barges. And who can blame them? Easy money. If code where to make a point of killing procs and skiffs (yeah i know how many ships that would take) and leave the hulks and covs alone it might kickstart a comunity in highsec.


Any thoughts anyone?


Suggest you go and look outside of the forge and systems with ice belts then you will see a lot more of the other mining ships, CCP detailed the usage of mining ships and it is no where like what you say it is. Sorry mate, you are way off base...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#18 - 2016-09-11 18:33:56 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
... a small wild animal that hisses at me tries to claw at my eyes .. .

If you need to go afk, dock up.


Does your wife know you talk about her in this fashion?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2016-09-11 18:36:30 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
... a small wild animal that hisses at me tries to claw at my eyes .. .

If you need to go afk, dock up.


Does your wife know you talk about her in this fashion?



What do you think caused the hissing and clawing?





There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#20 - 2016-09-11 18:51:32 UTC
The Code has ways of dealing with those who jump into a Procurer or Skiff and believe themselves to be above The Law.

For instance I haven't met a mining barge yet that I couldn't bump out of range of an asteroid. Blink

Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.

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