EVE New Citizens Q&A

Never have and never will rage quit because of a ship loss, what caused you to post such silly nonsense?
On the other hand spending all my time running missions, trading and the list goes on simply to have the ISK to replace the multiple ships I used to lose every month because internet drop outs got tiresome and frustrating. So I did what others have always told people to do I adapted to my circumstances and figured out how to solve the problem. I have never claimed that my way of fitting ships is the best for anything other than surviving MY internet dropouts and the only time I mention it is when I choose to counter this asinine notion that cap stable missions fits are worthless.

All mission fits are valid as long as the player who is actually flying the ship is having fun, because in the end this game is not about making ISK, or accumulating LP or ships, it is about having fun so fly what ever you want to fly. And yes that means doing the min max thing as well if that is what you call fun.


Actually there are mission rats in level 4's that scram, because you have not encountered them does not mean they do not exist.
But I do agree with you the MJD is an excellent fit option for anyone to consider.

99.9% sure non burner missions have no scramming rats in them.

A Case of Kidnapping
Angel Extravaganza
Dread Pirate Scarlet
Gone Berserk
Recon 1 - angels version
Are just five of the missions where I have run into scrambling frigates over the past year or so. In fact virtually all mission that you run against the Angel cartel as well as many against EoM and Serpentis all have a chance to spawn frigs with scram. So we get back to this because they are rare, and because you have never seen one does not mean they do not spawn for some players or in some missions.


Your opionion and valid as such but none of this is true as statements for all people to follow.

Prop mods - I full clear because more than 90% the missions I run a new character is looting and salvaging after me and that makes them more ISK or they perceive that it makes them more ISK. Used to run prop mods until I started timing missions with a stop watch. With a few exceptions I no longer run prop mods they simply are not needed, land in pocket, point ship to next gate and kill while I move usually get to the gate about the same time the rats are dead.

Pilot manually - the one place in EvE where it really makes very little difference in manual piloting or auto orbit is in missions. What is important is picking the proper target to orbit and when to break that orbit for the next target.

Kite - Kiting is a valid tactic but it is not ALWAYS better. In a brawler fit Kronos for example kiting is worthless, wade in close and punch them in the face is a far better tactic.

Never fit less than 3 damage mods - again that depends, especially for new to level 4 mission pilots by time potential tank, cpu, pg and cap needs are accounted for they may not have room for any damage mods let alone have room for 3 or more. Even if they do have the room how many damage mods to fit is a purely personal choice, some prefer more damage, others may want more tank, and still others would may want / need cap, cpu or pg mods

Implants - for a min max player implants are required, for others they are nice to have but hardly required. And for new to level 4 low SP pilots they may be needed to help with PG or CPU issues.

If you expect battleship firepower and tank to scale proportionally with its size (size is orders of magnitude bigger than cruisers), that won't happen. Maybe in 2003 it was like that, but currently battleships just offer more fitting slots than cruisers, while the ability to oversize certain modules that you may be used to oversizing is no longer available, because said bigger size modules don't exist.

So, basically, more slots = more versatility: more resists, and the ability to put in a tank AND some dps modules AND some utility, so that overall you can prevent damage (webify, neut, jam) and apply damage with more versatility than cruisers. But not really dramatically more damage or dramatically more tank.

And if you compare T1 battleships with T2 HAC within their area of specialization, then yeah, of course the smaller higher tech ships are better. Go off the specialization, ask yourself if a Megathron is better at PVE than a HIC or even Recon cruiser, and you'll see that the problem is in what you're trying to compare.

Battleships used to be much better than cruisers (T2 ships didn't exist, stacking penalties didn't exist, so the many slots on a battleship were a real advantage, etc.). So everyone flew them, making for very boring and very slow combat.

It also depends on your flying style.

I rarely drone things. I usually let my guns do the talking, even with big guns against frigates. That has a lot to do with how dumb the rats are. They pretty much click "orbit at optimal", which is easy to compensate for. That even works on spider drones if you can lock them before they get close.
A player trying to kill you would hit MWD and burn at 90 degrees from the vector to you, then reduce that angle and start spiraling in. If the rats did that, they would be either hard or impossible to hit with a battleship.

It also depends on what you want out of the mission. If you manually pilot and line up shots on small things in missions, you will be a lot more dangerous when you have to use guns against players. With practice, you will have an intuitive feel for how to line up shots.
Or you could just farm and farm and farm. And farm some more.

Just remember that damage actually applied is worth more than a theoretical "damage per second" number.

Tracking and optimum range, and the mods to enhance them, matter.

I've always given the generic advice

1 repair module + 2-3 active resistance modules is usually enough tank for 'most' circumstances

this leaves more slots for "gank"
3 +dps modules are usually more than enough
imo a 4th is a waste due to stacking penalties

use the remaining space for application modules
+tracking, +locking speed
I rarely find +range useful


application, I believe, should always have more weighting when you're putting a fit together
if you're getting +50000% moar dps from the fit

50000% of 0 is still zero damage when all your shots are missing

3-4 dmg mods for a pve ship, the 5'th will give little bonus due to stacking penalties, so it's better to go for a bit extra tank/ application/ prop module instead of the extra 28 dps (or whatever the number might be)