EVE General Discussion

Although, if you play a zombie game....you really are hoping for the zombie apocalypse.

That was not the point I was making. My point if you need it explained was that HE may think its not a big deal but others may.

Your response makes no sense at all. And stop telling us what other people think Kreskin.

I think that it really boils down to the fact that what you have in EvE is a direct result of the time you've spent in game building it. Some people are more efficient than others at obtaining resources, but the bottom line is that what you have represents real-world time--far more than it represents real-world money.

When you gank someone, you're destroying a proxy for time, which most people consider to be valuable. When you scam, you are doing something similar.

I don't think that makes any of the activities in question inherently bad. We all know the risks when we log in. But people value their time spent in EvE in different ways. Some of them value their time by how much stuff they've been able to accrue. Others value it by how much fun they've been able to accrue.

The most common complaint you hear in local rages and forum posts when someone loses a ship is, "But it took me x number of forevers to get that ship." As far as the victim is concerned, you have robbed something irreplaceable from them: their actual real-life time. That's why they're pissed, and that's why they think you're a bad person. What kind of a person would steal another person's time? A bad person. It's not an illogical progression given the premise.

The more you escalate that into a person's real life, the more legitimate the complaint becomes. It's one thing to have a difference of opinion about the value of time or how time should be spent playing a game. It's quite something else to get involved with a person's actual life and family and later scam them and wreck that friendship in the name of having fun in a game.

Ironically, it is for those who never leave HS and have a completely wrong understanding of the game.

If there were no rules in society, there would be no society and the quality of your conduct would be moot, since worse or better are relative to standards.
Calling you a bad person IRL because of ingame conduct is usually an impotent venting whine, as i've mentioned previously in this thread, i have to know someone before i can call them a bad person or not.
Some of us lie, cheat and steal ingame because it's part of the game. Well played and gf. Some of us are liars, cheats and thieves. It's knowing the difference that allows a more relaxed and light hearted approach to it all.

So there I am today listening to an econtalk podcast. The topic was Austrian economics (it is a school of thought, not about the economy of Austria...not to impugn the economy of Austria) and the guest was Pete Boettke. He made the following commennt (I am going by memory so it won't be an exact quote but pretty close),



What makes EVE interesting is that you can do both or more accurately have both right next to each other. I do invention to help fund my PvP. So there I am moving billions of ISK in stuff around in game. At the same time we have CODE. and other ganking groups. We also have scammers, corp thieves, etc.

To the extent you are a victim of ****, pillage and plunder is to a large extent dependent on what you do. If you overload our freighter and undock in Jita and head out on a course through Uedama you will eventually run into trouble doing that. But if you know the "rules and the institutions" of the game you can AVOID this. I know, because I avoid it every single time I move billions of ISK around HS. Same goes for Red Frog Freight.

This notion that CCP needs to do something is just idiotic. No, what is needed is for people to not be imprudent. And to the extent that people do not want to learn this...well...groups like CODE. are there to help them learn that valuable lesson. Oh, and as an added bonus, it can help in real life too.

FFS, I can't believe I had to Goddamn write that.

Edit:

The podcast can be found here. I listen to them when out running errands and when stuck in traffic.

It is not what we do, but how we do certain type of things, that determin who we are.

You,... for instance; like to talk about yourselve and the things you do. It sais that you are egocentric orientated and are not very successfull with having many friends with not similar character properties. People who are not like that, probaly find those types of people assholes.

The pirates/griefers playing style make assholes feel good, so what more can i say: Not everyone, but most people are more likely to be assholes in that playingstyle?

Etherway: self reflection is the way to enlighment

Where is Zahara Cody? He could learn from this.

That does not make sense. Assertion, assumption--------->conclusion with a question mark.



Westerners have loaded the word enlightenment with positive baggage, conflating it with other strangely positive words like 'more' and 'new' when in fact Illumination is to be avoided as it forces people to change their lives forever and replaces all faith with knowledge.



Ah come on, you've called people plebs and worse in this thread for post after post, it says something about you doesn't it?

This thread is making terrible sounds as it scrapes across the shallows, i'll leave it now, it's been a hoot, no troll.

Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:

John deep
Marie strend
John Konie
Jonny Konie
Johnsin Konie
Jonathan Konie
Jonathin Konie
Jim Konie
Jimmi Konie
Jimmy Konie
Jin Konie
Jinny Konie
Jinnny Konie