Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It certainly requires a second character and the most convenient is an alt. It isn't the only solution (eg. working with other players), but those other solutions have their own downsides (eg. Hauling scheduling is determined by 2 players if they have to work together, rather than one working alone and trust).

On the computer issue I agree. Not everyone's computer will handle 2 clients running together. I'm not sure that is something that should affect what ships get added to the game unless it's going to affect everyone. It might be, I'm just not sure at the moment if that is something CCP should design around.

I think it would be hard for CCP to design to a lowest common denominator computer system and still be able to deliver a modern gaming experience, so I lean towards them designing for modern systems, but happy to change my mind.


I have lost DSTs and Blockade runners in nullsec. In the end, they were used for my convenience and/or I didn't scout ahead since it's so easy to go solo in a DST or BR, so I paid the price for my own mistakes.

**** happens and yes BRs in particular can be caught easily on gate. A hic and an interceptor working together have uncloaked me several times even if I use the MWD/cloak trick to try to move in an odd direction quickly.


I'm not so sure. Undocking and warping takes a long time because webbing only works when the ship starts from a near stationary position.

If Freighters go into lowsec or nullsec, they'd be sitting ducks every time they undock because that happens at velocity, requiring time to align to warp.

Using an instaundock can increase safety, however even clicking behind the Freighter as it drops out of warp (to really slow it quickly) takes longer than the time to combat probe and warp.

So using them in lowsec has big issues. Certainly not something I would do and much slower than just jumping with the JF.


I can agree on that. The OP has focussed a bit on the ganking aspect, so it's what I've focused on.

If it's for a different reason where there is a gap in ships available, then that would be a different issue.


Yes, the major time sink is definitely the warp. Even using a webbing alt that takes a 1 minute aggression timer everytime webs are used, the webbing alt warps and jumps to the next system just as the Freighter arrives at gate, about 90% of the time.

I don't see a problem in terms of the warp aspect. It's not in warp where the Freighters are vulnerable. It's when aligning. The webbing alt reduces that align time to 2-3 ticks of the server from the moment of decloak. The warp is the tedious part.

On examples of other ships, the most relevant example would be mining barges and exhumers, which as subcaps are regularly ganked and in that case, there is a lot of advice available to avoid being ganked. So I suspect, if the same happended with Vexors (or any other ship), advice would soon appear. They aren't a big target, so no priority to give advice for.

On the last paragraph, I agree. If there is a reason that isn't tied into reduced gank risk (which is what the OP has focused on), then I'm all ears.

The same way null sec alliances just 'LOVE' to do freighter escort convoys instead of using Jump Freighters right.... and all long to return to the good old days with no jumps and long escort days constantly.....
Lets be real here, you are not going to get real people to give up their time on the scale of freighters moving.

Freighters (& other industrials) should be fittable as per other ships of their class, just with bonuses towards hauling, not fighting. And that includes some weapon slots. Who cares if that means some niche fits will actually be combat viable, that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
And would mean that we could make concord response take a couple of minutes (Note, should be replaced with 'Death ray' before this to avoid massive spawn issues), which means there is time for player skill to actually impact on a gank, as well as other bystanders having meaningful time to do things.

yet i have gotten people to spend time moving freighters... so "being real" people are and i have given up time on the scale of freighter moving.

as for the null thing you can't really compare a freighter in null can get blapped before the first rep has time to land and webs wont save you from bubbles

Throughout all of this, still nobody has given a practical situation where this would he used instead of any of the solutions we have now......

No, I have never suicided in high security space. I think I might have three kills in high security space in 9.5 years playing this game - all of them involving people who declared war on my corporation. I have killed a few thousand people over the years though - across this character and my various alts - and the return on investment for the kill never even occurred to me. This game is about causing losses to other players - that's why people kill 7B ISK ships piloted by unknown people - it's a loss to someone else. Turning a profit has nothing to do with it.

So once again, why isn't it reasonable for people to kill empty Freighters and Jump Freighters?

This afternoon, we were waiting for a fleet to leave and this hapless Orca pilot jumped into PF-346 from Orvolle. He's been playing almost four years. He should have known better, but he warped to FD-MLJ and jumped into our gate camp. I helped tackle him with one of my characters and then we killed him. It was nothing personal. He just happened to be in an Orca and we could kill him. We jumped out of our Machariels and got into smaller stuff and hurried over to finish him off. The whole time we were shooting him, we were hoping that he was glorious cyno bait. He wasn't. He was just a hapless dude who today was not very good at Eve and was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What is the difference between killing a hapless Orca pilot in FD-MLJ and killing a hapless Orca pilot in Uedama?

... if you didn't have enough cargo to fill a freighter were to cheap to use a jf and to stubborn to use an orca

This must be another stealth nerf ganking plz thread because it isnt making much sense.

Also having more than one account is almost required in many areas of eve. How many super or titan pilots do you know that only have 1 account? What about carrier pilots? Rorqual pilots (those exist????)? So why is you flying your capital class hauling vehicle any different? Sure you dont require a cyno like the others listed or even like a JF pilot does, but literally all you need are a proper fit, some implants, and an alt in a vigil fleet issue or something of that nature. Its not that its a bar of entry for anyone wanting to play eve, but its been this way forever...

You either make friends that can help you or you go the self-sufficient route and have alts. Can we lock this thread? Smells bad in here.

I agree. I was just making a point since freighters and jump freighters ARE capital ships.

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