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Smaller freighter, a welcome addition

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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#141 - 2016-09-10 15:19:55 UTC
Zerzzes Markarian wrote:
Yoou still haven't given us concrete numbers of what you want. If you are the uber-smart 'I-know-it-all' player that you claim to be, that shouldn't be a problem. The we dumb idiots will all be enlightened.

I think it speaks for itself that you don't use your main for this thread.


Learn to read the OP. If you can't figure it out from that first post then you should probably join Lugh's soul searching session.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#142 - 2016-09-10 15:21:24 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
If you don't see how or why that thing is so bad then that just kinda proves the point even more. QED.



lol so its bad because you say its bad and your evidence is just "i wouldn't understand?" rather than pointing out why it is bad?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#143 - 2016-09-10 15:23:39 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
If you don't see how or why that thing is so bad then that just kinda proves the point even more. QED.



lol so its bad because you say its bad and your evidence is just "i wouldn't understand?" rather than pointing out why it is bad?


Let me quote myself here:

Vincent Pelletier wrote:
At this point you're just full of ****
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2016-09-10 15:27:15 UTC
Zerzzes- I know I'm not OP but I'll give you some numbers on what I want; maybe I can benefit from your expertise or see how I can improve on my existing hauler fits.

I didn't put hours of thought and comparison in it, I'll just give you a wet-finger approximation. Hope you can work with that.

What I dream about, after fitting:

* 180k Cargo space. (fitting options may vary between 120 - 240k)
* 2.3AU / sec
* 15-25 sec align time (depending on fitting; use 20 sec as a one-fits-all)
* it does not HAVE to be capable of the MWD align trick, nor does it have to be able to fit a cloak.
* no offensive modules nor drone bay required.
* 280k EHP (corresponding to the 180k cargo space, obviously-- less space = more EHP OR faster align)

How does this sound to you?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#145 - 2016-09-10 15:32:19 UTC
thats less tank and cargo than a freighter with just better align.... tell me again why an orca doesn't cut it

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2016-09-10 15:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Brokk Witgenstein
Because an Orca has 70-80k cargo.

Edit: Agreed we can use an Orca as a template, just get rid of the ship hangar/Ore bay and replace that with Cargo space. That's really all I'm asking- a variation on the orca would definitely do the trick my man.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#147 - 2016-09-10 15:35:29 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Because an Orca has 70-80k cargo.



orca can get 140 if you are not moving ore

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2016-09-10 15:37:41 UTC
with all cargo expanders and cargo rigs I take it? How much EHP are you getting at that point if I might ask (I don't have EFT handy atm)
Lugh Crow-Slave
#149 - 2016-09-10 15:39:35 UTC
lol so you want cargo aaand tank.... yeah that's balanced

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#150 - 2016-09-10 15:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Making it a cloak/mwd ships would be hilarious. You could fill its whole cargohold with Pith-A Invuls, undock from Amarr, fly to Jita and dock without breaking a sweat. That is why I'm not a fan of a "super DST" or "cargo Orca", because it's too good. A "light freighter" like this is actually more dangerous to use, which is funny because ppl say this idea means I'm a risk averse carebear. Shows how good they are at reasoned logic.


Numbers based on all lvl 5, not base ship stats. Stats depend on faction obviously.

250k ish cargo
350-380k base EHP
30-34 sec align
2 AU/s

2 or 3 low slots (open to discussion) to augment stats.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2016-09-10 15:42:36 UTC
Just give me the number pls- as I said I don't have EFT so I don't even know what joke you're laughing about.

Is the 140k Orca so lolworthy, then don't bring it up as an alternative.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#152 - 2016-09-10 15:43:53 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Just give me the number pls- as I said I don't have EFT so I don't even know what joke you're laughing about.

Is the 140k Orca so lolworthy, then don't bring it up as an alternative.


You have to realise that he has no facts, reason or logic to base his nonsense on.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#153 - 2016-09-10 15:45:14 UTC
-.- says the one who cant even tell me whats wrong with the widow

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#154 - 2016-09-10 15:47:57 UTC
Go make a thread on reddit or C&P with a "what's wrong with this widow". See what you get.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2016-09-10 15:48:49 UTC
I can tell you what's wrong with the Widow. I once knew a guy who tried to run a level IV in his redeemer. He lost it - got scrammed by a rat, couldn't hit it, didn't have the tank to take it and lost one BIL.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#156 - 2016-09-10 15:49:18 UTC
that more resistant you are to giving info (even when its just the numbers you would like to see) the more this looks like a troll thread

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#157 - 2016-09-10 15:50:45 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
I can tell you what's wrong with the Widow. I once knew a guy who tried to run a level IV in his redeemer. He lost it - got scrammed by a rat, couldn't hit it, didn't have the tank to take it and lost one BIL.



No that would still make too much sense.

This Widow shows he has no understanding of game mechanics and fitting. Either way, lets stay on topic because that's his play really, derailing.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#158 - 2016-09-10 15:52:42 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
that more resistant you are to giving info (even when its just the numbers you would like to see) the more this looks like a troll thread


How fcking dumb are you, it's posted in the OP to add 20% agility to a freighter, add 30-40% EHP to said freighter and then drop its cargo to ~250k. It's not exactly rocket science. If you do have issues with comprehending this then I'll just point to the whole soul searching thing again.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2016-09-10 15:55:35 UTC
This would be a whole lot easier to swallow if you gave a practical situation where this would be useful.

You clearly have an underlying agenda here, everyone would take you more seriously if you just told us what it is instead of just saying ' we need a fast freighter'

Art of Explosions
Lugh Crow-Slave
#160 - 2016-09-10 16:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
I can tell you what's wrong with the Widow. I once knew a guy who tried to run a level IV in his redeemer. He lost it - got scrammed by a rat, couldn't hit it, didn't have the tank to take it and lost one BIL.


hmm i see your point. however there is no point in putting ECM on a widow when you have falcons and the widow can easily be used to soak damage when the enemy fleet freaks out over your ECM. in that fight the widow did just that the enemy fleet took to long to kill the widow that the panther two redeemers and the recons/bombers all made it out


EDIT:

with that said i have found the widow far favors an active tank over a buffer

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble