Player Features and Ideas Discussion

O.o rain is my alt how did you come to that conclusion


and what about the environment makes it so cooperation makes no sense?

why should that mean you don't need support for a capital? could it be you think HS is safe?


but no really why did you decide rain was my alt rather than the other celtic themed toons if she ever logs back in i have to tell her

Just ...... don't go there. Comparing freighters to capital gameplay always comes off as slightly ******** knowing my carrier gets over one million EHP AND can shoort back - with a similar ship hangar to a bowhead.

So, what do we do about that?

Shall we just buff freighter EHP x3 then to bring them "on par" or shall we walk away silently and not push the whole "But it's a Capital!" argument?

I didn't know there was an EHP minimum to be a capital i thought it was based on size and production method

a freighter gives up its EHP and defensive for more cargo and relies on support to protect it.


but your right its not like the other t1 industrial ships have less than 1/2 the EHP of their cruiser counterparts

lol why would we take the number from the capital that specializes in buffer tanking

lets see most t1 idustrials get about 20k ehp cruisers can get well over 60k

considering the ehp on most caps is closer to 1.2M the 500k of an ob seems right on the $

Just a very basic T2 DC, CSA+invul and T1 CCDFE gets you to 3.5mil EHP. Nothing special.

Well, bringing the point home:

you have T2 cruisers --- Deep Space Transports.
you have T1 battlecruisers --- Orca.
** The Glaring Hole **
you have T1 Carriers --- Freighters.

What we're looking for, is an in-between. Less cargo but faster. There is a lot of variation in T1 industrials, blockade runners and deep space transports but (a) they have fitting options, hence the variation, (b) they're all in the cruiser/HAC ballpark.

Orcas are only nice if you want to transport Ore or ships -- for regular cargo they're really not that good.

Freighters really are a joke in my opinion, because you are given "options" that aren't really options at all. Almost as if they were invented by gankers wanting to allow people to failfit their ships. An inertial stabbed freighter can't get away from a bumper; at most it shaves 30 seconds of align time. Followed by 5 minutes in a warp tunnel.

A downsized freighter (triple bulkheads) STILL has too much free space for me, and it's too slow.

A Jump Freighter, as our friend pointed out, pays for the ability to jump. This requires multiple cyno characters, and therefore does not meet the requirement. If I need two characters, then compare it to TWO Deep Space Transports ... see where I'm going with this?

An Orca trading in ship maintenance array and ore hold for more cargo space would do the trick -- a BC/BS sized hauler.

Currently, freighters are balanced so that the regular one practically HAS to fit bulkheads to achieve a modest tank (still less than an Orca by the way), whereas Jumpfreighters can go all expanded cargohold because they're never in the line of fire. Eventually achieving the same cargospace or around 350-400k.

That's 6 or 7 DST loads. 5 Orca loads.

Those of us who turned hauling into a career, know the joys of setting up cyno alts left and right and once you do that, you can jumpfreighter everything you want relatively easy. In reality, you spend hours setting up cyno locations, moving characters, loading, jumping, awaiting the cyno ... a jumpfreighter really shines in low/null but it's not a highsec hauler.

One does not simply grab say 180k cargo, drop it in a JF and deliver in the next 40 minutes; it's an oversimplification. IF you have multiple characters and IF your chain is set up, sure. Then a JF is your tool.

Single-Player hauling low volume stops at the Orca, and it can hold no more than 70k-80k. Surely you wouldn't advise anyone to drop the DCU for a second cargoexpanded, just to be able to LOL at the lossmail? That DCU will always be there, realistically speaking.

O.o again ehp has nothing to do with being a capital and even BBs and BCs need support all larger ships do. why should any one ship be able to solo 30? and tbh you don't need 4 alts you only need one with a web

So which is it?

At this point you're just full of ****, not saying you weren't before but now it's just painstakingly obvious to anyone. We on the other hand, the people asking for something that isn't silly or overpowered and actually rather logical and understandable, will simply continue and probably have to deal with yet another batch uniformed meme clowns who state things that simply aren't true.

Instead of polluting the forum even more with your nonsense how about you take a break, do some soul searching and try to comprehend the enormity of that **** fit Widow lossmail. If you don't see how or why that thing is so bad then that just kinda proves the point even more. QED.