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Fozzie seems like you have some hate for miners and industrialists huh?

I'm part of CASMA we are a group of players dedicated to introducing new and existing EVE players into the world of mining and provide Orca mining boosts to members of the fleet.

The changes to on-grid boosting will severely restrict what we can do if the boosting Orca has to be within a set vicinity of the fleet members. Mining belts aren't enormous (perhaps this area could do with a tweak / revision) so an entire fleet with a close Orca will need to constantly relocate once the belt is exhausted.

The Mining Foreman Link for "reduced crystal deteroiation" or whatever it is called is a complete waste of time, I mean who thought of that? Absolute joke of an idea considering how cheap mining crystals are?

Instead of the currently planned tweaks why not this -

Mechanic to "lock" mining vessel to asteroid to prevent miner bumping, currently there is no counter-attack to a determined bumper and myself have had to resort to logging out and doing something else after being followed from belt to belt by a determined bumper. Miner bumping serves no purpose and this is an area CCP should be addressing, its not like we are sitting tethered to a Citadel in a dreadnought in low / null sec where someone is attempting to engage.

Provide a mechanic where miners can get even with CODE and miner bumping and even the field.

We also ran a free fleet with free boost for new players which gave new miners a community and chance to interact with and learn from more experienced players. The systemwide boost enabled that - and allowed us to concurrently boost experienced players mining ice, and new players mining ore in ventures. The limited area of effect of the proposed new boosting regime for the most part eliminates that gameplay. It takes a significant investment of time and skillpoints to be a good booster and there aren't that many people out there who have made that investment and agree to give it's benefit to new players for free to field multiple boosters per fleet.

+1 on needing some counter to bumping. The bumper is at no risk, yet can paralyze the gameplay of another player. The only counter now is to have your full mining fleet swap into cats, suicide the bumper, and then deal with the fact all your miners now have to fly under killrights.

If CCP wants groups like CODE to be able to "own" high sec space and charge rent to other players (mining permits) then provide some equivalent for high sec to Null SOV where the system "owner" has to invest and pay a significant cost to dominate one or more systems. Stationing a group of alts with an inventory of disposable cats nearby is not an appropriate cost for the benefit of inconveniencing many other players.

CCP added a solution to prevent freighter pilots from being endlessly bumped and never able to go to warp because they could never align before the next bump happened. That change doesn't prevent a bumper in a mach or stabber from essentially preventing a player from mining by bumping his mining ship 100-200km off the rock that was being targeted each bump.

If you're in a system to take advantage of a public fleet boost, or hang out and mine with your friends, you can't just go to the next system. Same if you're there for an ice, gas or other anom that is spawned now and not available in the next system.

We've had no examples of it being a competition disrupting activity. It's exclusively been for the pleasure of the bumper disrupting other players gameplay. Players have to stop mining and do other activities, or just dock up and talk. People with limited time to play Eve (because they have kids or whatever) have their opportunity for their preferred gameplay denied by the bumper. What we've seen in our community when this happens is the targeted players get frustrated (because they have no counter) and go play other games.

Leaving to play other games because gameplay is unrewarding yields no benefit to CCP or the Eve community.

I had this idea while talking with other solo PVP players in the game. I know it will probably not be noticed by anybody, especially after 56 pages of messages, but it doesn't hurt to try I guess... CCP Fozzie ?

So, let's have a look at WHO is gonna be impacted by the change you guys are doing do fleet boosting:

• small gangs: a bit, they will get the bonus for 2 minutes and go for the fight, until 2 minutes later when the boost ship warp in the middle, apply the bonus and warp out again (I can foresee warp core stabilizers in a lot of fits already). Worse case, if the boosting ship get caught, they can defend it for a while
• big fleets (50+): at this point you most likely have a couple of logi ships, so having a cruiser for boost in the fleet is normal (it already is, for most fleets in low and null sec)
• solo PVP : well... you gonna get 2 minutes of bonuses and then you will be by yourself to fight whoever join the party to get your ass. Cause nobody will be willing to commit a boosting ship to a fight for a frigate or a destroyer, especially in FW where it gets harder everyday to not get blobbed by half of the local (I've been there, way too many times)

In a nutshell: fleets will not get impacted and just have boost ships included in their fleet composition (it was already the case most of the time), small gang will still have bonuses apply to them at all time with the trick I mentioned, and solo PVPers will be left without any bonuses

Which bring the following idea:



People will still be able to see if you get bonuses or not, with the glow around your ship, but at least you won't need them on grid AND that would indicate that there is a uncloaked boosting ship in system ready to be probed!

That would be a great adaptation of your proposition, would push people to at least try some solo PVP once in a while and give them a chance to get out when they are about to get blobbed.

Don't start trolling. I'm not asking to add more stuff from off-grid, I'm just trying to find a way to adapt the current change of boosts so that it fits everyone, and not just people that fly in fleets. If you have nothing interesting to add on this, please don't post :)

... wait when did my corp move to low/null i had always thought most of them were mining in HS. i am also in a null corp where we do have null miners but the players i oversee are HS

how exactly have the tools not solved your gameplay? are you still getting bumped when using a prospect? are you still losing freighters when moving them with webs/links/RR are you still losing tanked procs/skiffs to small numbers of gankers? are your falcons and griffans not managing to lower incoming DPS? is RRing your orca still not enough to keep it alive until concord shows?


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the only unbalanced thing i can think of in HS is War decs and i'm not just talking from the side of the defender there is also a lot of crap attackers have to put up with. <- that is the part of HS i really wish CCP would look at fixing

fleet boosts only affect your fleet not everyone in the area as for debuffs that is the kinda thing the new titan mods do

How it works now:

You have a booster in a safe place, providing bonuses to the entire system. You have a number of miners in your fleet. They spread out over the belts in the system. They lock the nearest rock, start their cycle and resume watching netflix until the asteroid is depleted.

How it will work after the changes:

Your fleet will be going to the designated belt. You will spread over it actually watching which rocks are being mined. Perhaps even use a rock scanner to short cycle your strips when there's a quarter of a cycle left in the rock. Your players will actually be in the same place, interacting.

I fail to see how this hinders gamePLAY.

You have issues with CODE. When there's wolves about, you round up the sheep. This can only work in your favor. I'm sure when you are dealing with these issues as a group, you will come up with something better than log off.

What I'd like to know is when the hell are these changes gonna go live on Singularity? Seems kinda stupid not to put them on the test server asap instead of waiting til literally right before it supposed to go live on Tranquility, so as to get feedback from players but also to make sure its working properly and to find the bugs, I mean here it is middle of September still nothing on Sing, new barge updates in just a couple days so really were kinda done with that so lets see the new stuff already on Sing