EVE General Discussion

Good lord your ego.

Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid.

Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read.

Generally yes this is the case. It can be counted at anytime up to then as well if the company chooses too. Its basically a deferred income. Which is why I salute CCP on PLEX as all the PLEX that is horded when the servers finally crash will never have to be technically officially declared and can be wiped off the books, I know Iceland has some different rules though, and even if they wish to declare it they can against severance packages and other shut down expenses and likely not have to pay any income tax on it. Even though you normally would at some point.


@Lucas Kell... I hope youre right/Im wrong too. I just wont get my hopes up at this time. Mostly because the deal is listed specifically on the PAID sub page.

I am clever enough not to have to work at all and can still pay my annual sub.

Or maybe it is because I am 'old' and retired?

I get confused so easily at my age...

Everyone understands that. But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing if it is okay for CCP to only reward subscribers for loyalty (If that indeed is the case). So everyone needs to understand the assumption for these discussions are that PLEXers don't get the extra stuff (Which we do not know is true). As long as we don't know if this base assumption is true or not, we are gonna have this mishmash of a discussion all over the place, with some discussing revenue and others discussing who CCP should reward. These two topics are not directly compatible, leading to this trainwreck of a discussion.

I will continue the discussion about if CCP has to also reward the person using the PLEX, as that is what this thread is about.

in your example:
Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX
Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK
CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase):

Player A Subscription: $14.95
Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95

Total income: $34.90

If we assume PLEXers don't get the reward, and we assume that we now with this thread have convinced CCP to change this. I would say give both rewards to Player A, as he gives up the money (And I assume that is the behaviour CCP wants to reward).

Darth Terona says, give the reward to both as they both create revenue (they do, but they don't both loose RL money). Darth terona would then get the reward for the money player A payed ~twice($34.90), but Player A only get one reward for his money ( $14.95).

So this is basically where the discussion is at. Do you want to reward giving up the money or do you want to reward the abstract concept of revenue?

Which is a bit a silly topic to discuss tbh. as we still don't know if Darth Terona is right in that PLEXers are not included. So this is all purely theoretical, full of assumptions and really could just be based on a misreading of an ambiguously written text.

Clearly Isaac Armer didn't.

He made his comments specifically in reply to a post from the OP about all players bringing value.

I addressed his reply.

On the broader context, CCP have always included people with active accounts, whether PLEXed or paying by credit card, in previous promotions.

I don't see anything different here, no matter whether I agree with it or not.

However, don't take my reply as anything more than in context with the reply it was for.

Thanks for quoting, Ralph.

Quite some drama .

OP, just write a well formulated petition and ask CCP whether you are included or not. If not, you may ask them for their reasoning, though they may not be inclined to answer to that. and who knows, maybe we even get a clearer statement from CCP.

If not it would be pretty messed up.
I extended my account for another year about 2 months ago, but i canceled the subscription so it wouldn't accidently add another year without me knowing. Which means that i don't have an active subscripiton, even though my account has payed gametime for almost a year.

And i shouldn't receive rewards for that? :/

PLEXing does count toward being subscribed.

When you activate a PLEX, you activate a subscription, and are actively playing the game.

Hence, you are active, and actively subscribed.

You'll get the rewards if you have an active subscription, regardless of how you pay for it.

I'm not sure my point could have gone farther over your head.

Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game?

That was literally the point. The fact the OP (and you apparently) can't seem to comprehend that says something.

I think you might have missed the OPs point all together and I didn't measure cost in terms of dollars.

The OP made a point about revenue for CCP and you asked for specifics.

The philosophy around the best way to pay for the game is a totally different and all together off topic issue to this thread, which is about the rewards for November.