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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#41 - 2016-09-09 17:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Kek, ignore me.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#42 - 2016-09-09 18:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Isaac Armer wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?

I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?

I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.


I'm clever enough to earn enough to pay a month's subscription in 16 minutes of work IRL. Why would I be dumb enough to plex?

Why aren't you more clever? You don't seem clever enough to spell correctly


You're right of course, maybe Darth isn't as clever as he thinks.

However, in defense of PLEXing, sure you can do a sub wirth of cash in 16 minutes of working, but can you do it while at home, butt naked, drunk off of cheap malt liquor while listening to Death Metal?

If the answer is yes, please PM me an application to your place of work, I'm interested Big smile
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2016-09-09 18:19:40 UTC
F2P entitlement: because making people do stupid silly task for hours and hours for a a crumb makes them feel like they've earned it.

A signature :o

SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#44 - 2016-09-09 18:26:56 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?

I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?

I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.


You can't be that clever. All the email said was, "Maintain an active subscription" - a criteria which is met by PLEX.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#45 - 2016-09-09 18:31:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
This thread is an example of how hysteria happens.

Someone reads or hears something, takes it in an out of context way based on a flaw in their personal definition of something (in this case the flawed idea that plexing and subscribing are different), and then blows it up into some horror that it never was.


It's kind of funny in the context of a video game forum, till you realize that real life wars have been started from such misunderstandings...
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#46 - 2016-09-09 20:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DeODokktor
Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex.
The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#47 - 2016-09-09 21:20:05 UTC
DeODokktor wrote:
Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex.
The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now.



You must be new here lol.
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#48 - 2016-09-09 21:33:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
DeODokktor wrote:
Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex.
The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now.



You must be new here lol.


No..
If it is something customers will like, they reply quick.
If it is something customers will NOT like... They seem to never know the thread existed.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#49 - 2016-09-09 22:16:53 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You're right of course, maybe Darth isn't as clever as he thinks.

However, in defense of PLEXing, sure you can do a sub wirth of cash in 16 minutes of working, but can you do it while at home, butt naked, drunk off of cheap malt liquor while listening to Death Metal?

If the answer is yes, please PM me an application to your place of work, I'm interested Big smile


I have a friend who drinks wine from a thermos while at work, does that count?
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#50 - 2016-09-09 22:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
sero Hita wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:


My plex for my accounts is equal revenue for Ccp to someone who has subscribed for that time
Both the subscriber and the plexer meet the win condition. Both should be rewarded.

No, the guy who bought the PLEX should be rewarded then, not you. CCP wants to reward paying customers, you are not that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. You are just playing the game, making an insensitive for people to buy PLEX. The market exist so there is no reason to reward people buying PLEX with isk. With the introduction of alpha clones it also make sense they want as many subscribers as possible, as the general amount of plexers might drop.
So: you do not create revenue, the guy buying the PLEX does. So stop trying to ruining it for the people who actually had to put up some money. No hands- no cookies, just like it should be in a cuttthroat world.


1. The guy who consumes (uses) the PLEX generates the revenue.
2. CCP earns more with a PLEX subscription (€19.95 per month) than with a normal subscription (€14.95 or €10.95 per month depending on sub plan).
3. CCP never made a difference between PLEX subs and normal subs AFAIK. Sub is sub.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#51 - 2016-09-09 22:53:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This thread is an example of how hysteria happens.

Someone reads or hears something, takes it in an out of context way based on a flaw in their personal definition of something (in this case the flawed idea that plexing and subscribing are different), and then blows it up into some horror that it never was.


It's kind of funny in the context of a video game forum, till you realize that real life wars have been started from such misunderstandings...



Stop it Jen, they're enjoying themselves.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Serene Repose
#52 - 2016-09-09 23:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
sero Hita wrote:
...the little PVE bears....
Noblesse oblige being what it is, eh?

I love the economics being used here. I PLEX, so I pay....I'm assuming in the classic sense of the word "PLEX-ing", "I buy PLEX on the market for ISK and am clever enough not to pay real money for my account....So, I should be viewed as adding to CCP's coffers equally to those foolish enough to pay actual money for their accounts..."? R i i i i i ght.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-09-09 23:42:38 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
You know you are discussing something else than the discussion you are commenting on, right?

Algarion Getz wrote:


1. The guy who consumes (uses) the PLEX generates the revenue.

This is just a stupid technical thing. Well so CCP apparently first notes PLEX as revenue when they have been used, yes. but the guy creating the revenue did not necesarrily give out the money. CCP wanted to reward loyal supporters according to their piece, which would be the guy giving the money IMO.

Algarion Getz wrote:

2. CCP earns more with a PLEX subscription (€19.95 per month) than with a normal subscription (€14.95 or €10.95 per month depending on sub plan).

This was never part of the discussion. The discussion is about that he cannot accept that people who gives money directly to CCP gets more than those who do not. Where I say, if it is the case that plexers don't get the reward(I highly doubt this) and if he wants to reward someone, then reward the one who bought the PLEX with real money instead of the guy who uses it. I hope you can see how this is different from the differences in prizes you were posting?
Algarion Getz wrote:


3. CCP never made a difference between PLEX subs and normal subs AFAIK. Sub is sub.

If you had read anything in this thread, instead of just barging in the end of the thread commenting on something you don't understand the context of, you would know that this is not completely clear. Hence this panic thread about how the OP thinks it is unfair, that those using real money to subscribe with get something he does not when using no money(Again I think plexers will be included as well, but OP does clearly not). Due to the ambiguous wording on the subscription page it is open to interpretation. If plexers are not included I have argued for, I think this is okay if CCP only wants to reward those who have subscriptions, it is their choice.

It really annoys me you reply to something, having not understood a minimum of what is being discussed.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2016-09-10 00:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP.

What Email and why didn't I get one ?

What?

EDIT :

I just checked my account stats.

Quote:
Account Type
Active - Paying with Credit Card

Current Subscription
12 Month EVE subscription - Cancelled

Account Expires
12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days)


I actually plan on buying another 1 yr sub at the start of November. So now I'm wondering if I'll get the rewards as well.



DMC
Serene Repose
#55 - 2016-09-10 00:40:45 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Account Expires
12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days)
Not one for cutting it close, are yah? Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Keebler Wizard
Skew The Suits
#56 - 2016-09-10 00:41:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
As far as I know CCP have never separated out active subscriptions from PLEX and active subscriptions from cash in thing like this, and I don't imagine they are starting now. I'm certain people subscribing with PLEX will receive the same rewards.



This. With all the times that CCP has used the term "subscription" it's never been reference to how you pay, either plex or cash. So yea. You overreacted.
Darth Terona
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2016-09-10 00:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
I see a plex economics understanding fail in some of the peeps here.

Ill say it one last time.

people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp.

if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market.

therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp. both parties should, and seem to, be getting the rewards for their company loyalty.

the reward for those who buy plex to sell, is instant cash in eve without having to grind for it.

sure, I get to play the game without paying for it, but my actions drive a demand for a product only obtainable with real money.


But I digress. the whole point of this topic, is to ask ccp to be more clear on what subscription methods qualify for the rewards to be given out on the November update.
ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#58 - 2016-09-10 01:05:12 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
Clever, because I don't grind.

however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber




LOL

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#59 - 2016-09-10 01:11:38 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP.

What Email and why didn't I get one ?

What?

EDIT :

I just checked my account stats.

Quote:
Account Type
Active - Paying with Credit Card

Current Subscription
12 Month EVE subscription - Cancelled

Account Expires
12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days)


I actually plan on buying another 1 yr sub at the start of November. So now I'm wondering if I'll get the rewards as well.

DMC

As long as you renew before your account switches to inactive, you'll be fine.

CCP haven't suddenly changed how they do these things. There's just some weird form of groupthink happening.
Darth Terona
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2016-09-10 01:37:00 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:
Darth Terona wrote:
Clever, because I don't grind.

however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber




LOL



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