EVE General Discussion

Its is in this thread...


And I am seeing some of you gankers apply this comparisons to RL in terms of AG players which you refuse for yourself, please be consistent otherwise people will take you for hypocrites.

I know the search function is a bit limited, but a search for 'hero' doesn't turn up Jenn in any of the references related to this thread:

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So don't hold your breath waiting if that is the case. It would be a case of the usual, a claim made in error with nothing to support it.

If your conscience lets you behave that way in game then I have no doubt whatsoever that that same conscience would let you behave that way irl....if you could get away with it.

Oh, and enough of the **** about they're only space pixels, behind every single space pixel is a real person. Whatever you're doing to said pixels is directly affecting a real person.

I'm not on about fleet battles, defence fleets etc so everyone trying to put them in the same category as griefing, forget it.

This is about players like you getting their jollies off by causing as much grief and hassle to another player as they possibly can regardless of how much rl suffering you might be causing to the guy.

Thing is, you can only do it in HS, which is completely contradictory even in EVE. High Security should mean just that, and yes, I don't think the consequences are in any way near harsh enough for the griefers.

Now you can kick and scream about pvp and nothing is safe as much as you want, the fact is that players doing this crap in HS are just cowards hiding behind a pathetic game mechanic.

Take bumping, you bump someone deliberately for an hour or more and don't think it's affecting someone? How ******* frustrated do you think the guy behind the other keyboard is feeling? I probably wouldn't have a keyboard left.....

Then you come on here crying about how you are perceived in game..you deserve everything you get, and more.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or maybe in this case, hate the masses of players that keep playing the game despite the fact that they appear to hate it.

Highsec does not mean "safe security". If that was what CCP intended to be it would be called "safe sec". Given that it is only highsec security, not complete security it is logical that there will be a non-zero number of attacks by criminals. You sound like would only be happy if it was impossible to attack another player in highsec? Do you really think that all such highsec attacks are "griefing"?

Look, highsec security space is just that. CCP Quant showed us exactly how little ganking activity actually goes on in this game compared to the rest of the activity (CONCORD does 4 orders of magnitude less damage than Players vs. NPCs and 2 orders of magnitude less than players vs. other players). That's pretty safe. The reality is though, for certain players any number other than zero is unacceptable. They expect a single-player experience where they are in control and think they should not be attacked by another player without their permission under any circumstances and call any such interaction "griefing". Well it is "griefing" in dictionary sense of being an unwanted interaction that causes distress, but not under the EULA as this is the intended gameplay CCP built into their sandbox game. Since the PvP is non-consensual everywhere in this game by design, the whole game can be considered "griefing".

You are entitled to judge players however you like for how they play this game and call them names as Eve players are want to do, but when they shoot you or wardec you or scam you or bump you in highsec they are playing by the rules. You can call them sadists and sociopaths, or threaten them with violence and harm, but it is not they who are doing anything wrong. It is the player who doesn't understand what type of game that they are playing, or is unable to separate real-life from video game space pixels who is bringing this grief upon themselves.

If you don't like fighting over and losing virtual items, then play something that doesn't feature non-consensual fighting over virtual items as its central idea. But calling players who do like that gameplay, the very game play that CCP built and is selling, maladjusted or dysfunctional in real-life is laughable and these same players who can separate fantasy from reality will just roll their eyes when you do and then go gank/scam/wardec you harder.

Maybe those of us who have ganked wouldn't commit evil deeds IRL.
Not because of fear of getting caught, but because we don't dehumanise other people.
Because we know the unpleasant urges within and strive to be better.

Conversely, there may be some, who in game are avowed pacifists.... but torch their ship and profanities spew forth.

Well that's a dirty great steaming pile of dung

Depriving people of space pixels is A: within the rules, and thus context of Eve, and B: well within the realms of fantasy; just like shooting people in the face in an FPS is within the rules and context of the genre, and also in the realms of fantasy.

If you suffer real life suffering over the loss if some imaginary spaceships, in a game where imaginary spaceships are lost every minute of every day that the server is running, then you may want to reconsider your choice to play such a game.

As for consequences, any that go above and beyond those already provided by the game are up to players to inflict.

If you get bumped for an hour... either the gankers are slacking because you should have exploded in the first 10 minutes or you're doing it wrong.

Nobody deserves to be told that someone is coming along shortly to sexually assault and murder their family, sadly it's a regular occurrence and the threats generally come from the people who claim to be "peaceful law abiding citizens".

Still butt hurt from earlier I see As I said those people were doing it for their own needs and desires, you are just too stupid to realise it.

The post where Jenn a'Snide talks about a ganker going out to search for missing people is in this thread, not my issue that you are unable to locate it mate.

Even if that post can be found i would not bet on it anyway. Jenn often post that:
- he makes lots of ISK from incursion when people talks that incursion does not huge ISK
- he gets nice loot when people talks about low rates of drop
- he makes lots of ISK farming 0.0 sec when people asks for making better ISK in 0.0
- .... generally anything people talks about Jenn does better and faster.

ITT: people who can't fight claim a moral victory.

...and all under the guise of a thread about roleplaying.

Makes me want to go shoot a spaceship, hard.

Well, at least most people who can read understand what was said.

I've pointed out that I've met other EVE players over the last 9 years, I've never said i met all EVE players. Of the people I've met, I've noticed that the so called bad guys tend (the word tend is important) to be really stand up guys and girls, many of whom are a part of the same profession I am, or who are ex military or healthcare workers or volunteers of some kind. Ironically enough I've also noticed that a few of the ganker/bumper types I personally know work in agriculture of some kind. LITERALLY FARMERS lol.

I've also noted that many of the most vocal "I hate griefers/think of the new players' folks I've met tend (there is that word again) to actually not really give much of a **** about anyone but themselves IRL. There were exceptions on both sides, one of the actual nicest guys I met at EVE Vegas was a leader among anti-ganker types (and I noticed that his in game activity had nothing to do with hating anyone, he's a super geek that enjoys tough problem solving, and he's damn good at it).

It's not hard to see this played out both in game and on this forum. The vocal anti ganker types are not nice or good people and it only takes one conversation with one such person to figure that out....

. Notice how one of them insists on childishly misspelling my screen name? Notice how they are the ones making the (usually futile) attempts to get CCP to nerf people that play in a way they don't like (rather than simply teaching people how to combat the tactics of people they don't like)? Notice how easy it is for the rest of us to see the selfishness and greed behind their "think of the newbros" facades?

It's the reason why I post in support of the so called bad guys even though I don't personally find what they do (ganking, scamming, awoxxing, bumping to be in any way personally interesting. My entire ganking career was three barges in high sec because my corp was doing it, it's not something I enjoy.

But point blank, those who do enjoy those things tend (in my experience) to be better company than the self righteous , juvenile liars of this games white knight/space sjw community.