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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-09-09 09:32:07 UTC
Roll

OP is an Alpha.
OP will be the first Alpha to plex.
OP is the mass or in other words a pleb.

Plebs should know their place.
Their place is under the Subscribers\People that pay with real money.
Their only role in the game is being the content for Subscribers.

Roll

No Racism vs Plebs, they are adorable but sometimes they start to riot\cry claiming the same rights as their masters and need to be tamed Cool



sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-09-09 09:32:13 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
do they?

I think they did not consider it.


I think they did, and I think you will see more of this in the future to lure people from alpha clones to subscriptions.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-09-09 09:33:46 UTC
But we don't agree and go around in circles, so i will go and something more constructive. Good day sir ! Big smile

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2016-09-09 09:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Terona
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Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2016-09-09 09:45:16 UTC
Righto, I can agree to disagree with you sir. :)

But I still want a definite answer from ccp one way or the other.


and if only subscription counts for the awards, then am I already borked on the next two months since I have 60days of banked plex time?
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-09-09 09:50:05 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
Righto, I can agree to disagree with you sir. :)

But I still want a definite answer from ccp one way or the other.


and if only subscription counts for the awards, then am I already borked on the next two months since I have 60days of banked plex time?



File a petition and see what they say.

Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2016-09-09 09:52:54 UTC
right.. but surely I'm not the only plexer that wants to know?

I'm saving them time by making a post they can easily respond to.
Morrigan Nighe
#28 - 2016-09-09 09:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan Nighe
EVE Online Account Management wrote:

Game time
It’s common in MMOs for some players to end up with more cash on their characters than they know what to do with. In EVE Online, you can turn that extra ISK into 30 days of game time by purchasing PLEX from other players on the EVE market. PLEX can be found in the market's "Trade Goods" section.

To convert your PLEX into game time, right click the PLEX while it is in your hangar, and select “Activate PLEX” from the pop up menu. A window will show where you can choose between either adding it your account’s subscription or to the Multiple Character Training queue.

Source

It should count as a subscription. It was also said that PLEXed accounts will count towards the Omega clone state and are equal to a subscription in that case.

And to the person who thinks the PLEX Buyer should get the reward, the buyer got his reward/value the moment he sold the PLEX for ISK on the market.
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2016-09-09 09:59:50 UTC
thanks for digging this up :)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#30 - 2016-09-09 10:17:57 UTC
As far as I know CCP have never separated out active subscriptions from PLEX and active subscriptions from cash in thing like this, and I don't imagine they are starting now. I'm certain people subscribing with PLEX will receive the same rewards.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#31 - 2016-09-09 10:23:31 UTC
Yeah they are limiting some of the items in game. As there has been a HUGE influx of accounts since the skill injectors, just check out eveoffline for the new account spikes which amount to about 15-20K accounts all told, which are all injector farming accounts and are all plexed.

Basically CCP is excluding all those style accounts in this offer to limit the rewards which in turn will screw anyone else that plexs their acounts.

Everyone that has ever subbed gets the Gnosis skin, so these will be the most prevalent items from the deal, anyone that subs one month at the time of expansion will get the last free ship, the armor set and googles and the gnosis skin, anyone that pays for 3 months will get all of it by my account of the deal.


From the way I have gathered it is that CCPs accounting policy is different for recurring subs than for plexs. AFAIK they state the recurring subs as income directly while the plexs income is a bit different as it can be claimed WHEN it is sold OR WHEN it is redeemed for game time. Which allows for a lot of account shenanigans if one wishes based on what is the best accounting policy. Delaying, or defering, income is a common practice for companies.

It also likely means CCP wants to bolster its income statements a bit with increased "income", perhaps for a bad quarterly or other such issues. But that is pure speculation on my part there. Ive just seen it on a lot of prospectus' in my days. You would be surpised at all the loopholes in accounting for companies for quarterly or year ends.Roll

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-09-09 10:26:28 UTC
The only way to clear up this mess is get a respond from CCP itself. Let's hope some ISD-guy will put this topic to their attention.

Now i'm confused a bit too.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#33 - 2016-09-09 10:41:47 UTC
damn ive always paid a sub for my 2 accounts and just used plex this month as a 1 off :(

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2016-09-09 10:42:02 UTC
Shocked
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2016-09-09 12:51:50 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
from the page
Quote:
To celebrate the massive expansion coming this November, we are offering subscribers a collection of loyalty rewards. Subscribe before 16 September 2016 and maintain an active subscription until November to collect them all.

The rewards are:


  • Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch.
  • Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch
  • Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches.

Rewards will be added to your account in November.

Disclaimer

  • Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch.
  • Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch
  • Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches.



Thanks Ralph.

Now to the OP, what part of that says anything about PLEX users? If you are posting here, you are a "subscriber".
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#36 - 2016-09-09 12:54:27 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Basically CCP is excluding all those style accounts in this offer to limit the rewards which in turn will screw anyone else that plexs their acounts.
I'm 99% certain this is not the case. They never have split it out like that, and farm accounts aren't a new thing. And they are giving out in-game items, so it really wouldn't be worth the headache from enraged players to limit them anyway, since giving them out to everyone has no real impact.

Consider too that if they were to split it out, anyone already plexed past November would be psychically unable to pay their sub, and anyone of an age which restricts access to payment method or in a country that restricts access to payment methods would be unable to participate.

I'm not even sure where the confusion came from either, since it only states you need an active subscription, and a plexed account has a subscription status of Active.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-09-09 13:02:48 UTC
Should the accounting matching principle make the income of plex be counted when the plex is actually used/destroyed? Ugh
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#38 - 2016-09-09 13:24:40 UTC
Sub = 30d
PLEX = 30d
Sub = PLEX

Blink

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#39 - 2016-09-09 17:27:57 UTC
A plex is basically the same as paying a month to month subscription. CCP's internal system does;t give a rats ass how you pay for said sub. If you play eve right now, you are subscribed. its that simple. The only way you will not get the rewards, form my understanding, is if you let your subscription lapse (i.e. you don;t pay for it) in anyway. So stop paying with plex, sub lapses. Simple.


They have done this for years and i had an account i used to plex for a year till i got tired of wasting the isk and just forked out my cc. it got all the reward my other accounts did, and there was no mention during that time frame of a sub vs plex. A sub is a sub regardless of how you pay for it.

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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#40 - 2016-09-09 17:41:09 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?

I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?

I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.


I'm clever enough to earn enough to pay a month's subscription in 16 minutes of work IRL. Why would I be dumb enough to plex?

Why aren't you more clever? You don't seem clever enough to spell correctly