EVE General Discussion

There are NPCs outside of HS you know. That is what most people ratting in NS shoot, NPCs.

And as SurrenderMonkey pointed out the point is that NPCs are boring and predictable and you can always beat them so long as you fit your ship correctly.



Note CONCORD does not prevent others from attacking you. The game was designed that way on purpose. CCP has stated that attacking a person in HS is legal, expected and even normal game play if you are willing to accept the consequences--i.e. get your ship blown up by CONCORD if the attack was "illegal"--i.e. there was no war dec, no suspect flag, etc. You are punished after the fact. So, your entire premise here is at odds not only with the way the game is, but with the way CCP intended the game to be. It is not everyone else that needs to change, it is you.

And you can be upset, you can even be angry, but when you start calling people a sociopath for playing a game as it was intended to be played you are a completely blinkered fool....and you should be ganked again just for good measure.



Oh we all understand alright, you have an incorrect understanding of the game. Completely incorrect. This is a sandbox game and you have no safe space.

OP's was saying that because you game dirty shouldn't equate to making judgements about them, ...

Since when does shooting someone or outplaying them within the rules of the game equate to gaming dirty?

Because its still YOU, a real person, doing those actions and if you enjoy said actions it means there is a portion of yourself, your real self, that also enjoys said actions or you would not do them. The game allows you the freedom to drop your moral or other illusions about your societal self and lowers or removes your inhibitions to where you can do it without shattering your self image, the image you have built up and society most often ratifies of your nature as a person.

It is akin to roleplay and acting as well. Actors that have "lost" themselves so completely in dark roles have often spoken of the unease of their psyches after such roles or have literally tumbled off the moral abyss. Undercover cops, spies and undercover agents have also tumbled off this moral abyss and taken on the role they are portraying so fully that they become the corrupt portion of themselves they were meant to guard against. It is a rather common phenomena and psychologically valid.

If you are interested you should look this type of behavior up. Its a very real thing to take on the persona one wishes to have, both positively and negatively. The idea of "act as if" is very good for positive change. Aka the idea of believing yourself to already be that which you wish to become until you simply are that. It is a very fascinating human condition and really shows neuro-plasticity and the ability for a person to alter almost anything about themselves so fully as to quite literally become a very different person. Game personas are one way we delve into this "act" with ourselves and others in a mostly harmless and safe way.

By dirty I am equating this to game play that negatively impacts others out of acts that most can understand Will have this effect on another.

Fact is that we as humans are not programmed with the same levels of empathy, altruism, or concerns for others, some could care less if someone is hurt and on the ground and will just 'go around' and keep on trucking, while others would do all they can to help another in distress.

What I am saying is that while I see attacking others in game (if I'm not in low/null/WH), as off limits these are my moral grounds, while others do not feel this constrained by personal belief, so I have sat and pondered how they can be 'that way' I finally came to the conclusion that it is because we think differently but it doesn't mean to me anymore that they are evil or bad folk it's just that the process that govern my actions in and out of the game may be absent when others only see an avatar an a icon of a ship and nothing more...I see it as representative of some one out in the world and have no interest in raining on someone's parade.

Hell, I wouldn't attack anyone if I'm not in high sec anyway, my choice, BUT knowing that others do enjoy blowing up my space pixels I've purposely flown ships into low sec areas for the express purpose of the entertainment of gate campers, I fill the hold with loot then go suicide as a way to clear the hanger of stuff.

My god what a stupid conversation.

You wouldn't call someone a megalomaniac if they beat you at Chess? Would you assume someone who beat you at mortal combat was a murderer in the making? Would you assume that because he chooses Raiden he is a closet "Frozen" fan?

Long and short is that people who get smacked down a lot in EvE like to make themselves feel better by claiming some sort of moral superiority over their attacker. It makes them a bit warmer inside to feel at least in some way rightious as they swallow the bitter sticky load of failure.

It's a game, if someone plays inside the rules you have not a leg to stand on questioning their RL moral compass. Grow up.

I think it is just rude to judge all AG this way. I'm sure some of them are decent people in RL.

Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it...