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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2016-09-08 13:24:26 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Is this offensive to someone? If it's not a little offensive or at least funny, I don't know what the point is.



I find it amusing. Songs of this sort are funny as comedic skits, and downright laughable when sung in earnest by silly people who like marching and bombast.

It reminds me of a popular theatre show from bygone days, which featured a couple of fellows trying to lose money on a show to avoid tax. There was a fabulously camp song, with lots of racy dancers dressed in severe black leather jackboots, written to lampoon such martial nonsense.

It was something like: "Springtime for Tibus and Caldareee! Ishukone is happy and gay." And so forth.

Jolly funny, not remotely a statement of Federal foreign policy.


I recalled hearing that when Foiritan was still in power he wanted that piece censured. It took many protestations and a couple megacorporation backings to get him and the Black Eagles to back off.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2016-09-08 14:47:42 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Yeah, those songs of ours. They are also mnemonic devices. They help us remember the steps of fabrication and maintenance, time the motions, recall the chemical reaction formulas, all of it. Translating them will ruin the entire purpose of them, along with the reverence part.

Of course, it is required for the singers to actually be the practitioners of the relevant trades. Otherwise they wouldn't get what these songs are conveying.

We have alot of those really, specific for every kind of machine we have ever produced or worked with. Our Shaman works with the Fabricator Circle, Preserver Circle and the Skaldi Circle to devise or revise these songs whenever a new machine is produced or existing machine is remodelled. Just browsing the digital catalogue can cause anyone to go cross-eyed.


We had songs that regulated the timing for ceremonial salutes. It seems music is useful for a lot of stuff!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2016-09-08 15:04:23 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Yeah, those songs of ours. They are also mnemonic devices. They help us remember the steps of fabrication and maintenance, time the motions, recall the chemical reaction formulas, all of it. Translating them will ruin the entire purpose of them, along with the reverence part.

Of course, it is required for the singers to actually be the practitioners of the relevant trades. Otherwise they wouldn't get what these songs are conveying.

We have alot of those really, specific for every kind of machine we have ever produced or worked with. Our Shaman works with the Fabricator Circle, Preserver Circle and the Skaldi Circle to devise or revise these songs whenever a new machine is produced or existing machine is remodelled. Just browsing the digital catalogue can cause anyone to go cross-eyed.


We had songs that regulated the timing for ceremonial salutes. It seems music is useful for a lot of stuff!


Songs are very useful. They lift the spirit, help with recall, help with timing and, if done in a group, builds group cohesion. Also, the spirits like songs. Even more so when they can't really sing themselves.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#44 - 2016-09-08 15:39:15 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
We had songs that regulated the timing for ceremonial salutes. It seems music is useful for a lot of stuff!


Music's incredibly useful for matters of pacing and sequence. Part of it is how the brain learns and remembers, but another large part of it is in why certain music really hooks into you, why it feels satisfying. It's physiological - if you check the metrics, you'll find basically every piece of very popular music, and this isn't limited to any one culture, has a measure cadence... the time between beats, basically... that's roughly (since this varies within a range from person to person) a clean multiple of a human heartrate.

We make music that resonates with us. So that music resonates with others of us. Not really surprising, when you think about it.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2016-09-08 15:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
One of the things anyone would notice whenever they visit a new human civilisation is....they have music! Music is ingrained into our being. It is very much part of our essence.

It's why the Drifters, the Sleepers and the Jovian Directorate felt 'off'. No evidence of having music.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#46 - 2016-09-08 16:11:12 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I cringed back from screen with disgust.
Too much about bombarding others, too little about appreciacion of your own people I think.

If you want to cringe at someone, you shall cringe at Gallente, who actually did bombard Caldari Prime for real.

And cringing at just a song proposing to give gallente same treatment is, excuse me for rudeness, straightforward idiotic... well, unless you are a gallentean bootlicker. In that case it would be not idiotic, but hypocritic.

If we would all live by the rules this song is about.... Well, see you in one of them explosion craters.

I am not a gropos anymore. I am a pilot. You'll see me more likely in a ship targetting down to your home when you peek out from the window.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2016-09-08 16:16:53 UTC
The Amarr also have their own children's songs and shows. One famous one is Dr. Azad's Wild Time*.

After all as Scripture says "“Lead all children to the light of God, for Heaven is theirs to inherit.”

One I remember from my childhood is:

Obedience is the very best way,
to show that you believe.
Doing exactly what God commands,
doing it happily.
Action is the key – do it immediately,
joy you will receive.Obedience is the very best way to show that you believe.

Chorus: O-B-E-D-I-E-N-C-E
Obedience is the very best way to show that you believe.
We want to live pure we want to live clean.
We want to do our best.
Sweetly submitting to authority,
leaving to God the rest.

Walking in the light,
keep our attitudes right.
On the narrow way.
For if you believe the Word you receive,
You always will obey. (repeat Chorus)

*FN: https://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/innocent-faces/
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#48 - 2016-09-08 16:27:18 UTC
As I said, half the fun was coming up with new verses for the original song. Given that I'm fighting a new war:

We're going into Drifter Hives, we'll fight them where they live
We'll fight them til their last ship dies, no mercy will we give
For though we didn't start this war, we'll fight it til the end
And we won't stop 'til they're dead!

Glory, Glory to Amarria
Glory, Glory to Amarria
Glory, Glory to Amarria
And we won't stop 'til they're dead!

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#49 - 2016-09-08 16:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Diana Kim wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I cringed back from screen with disgust.
Too much about bombarding others, too little about appreciacion of your own people I think.

If you want to cringe at someone, you shall cringe at Gallente, who actually did bombard Caldari Prime for real.

And cringing at just a song proposing to give gallente same treatment is, excuse me for rudeness, straightforward idiotic... well, unless you are a gallentean bootlicker. In that case it would be not idiotic, but hypocritic.

If we would all live by the rules this song is about.... Well, see you in one of them explosion craters.

I am not a gropos anymore. I am a pilot. You'll see me more likely in a ship targetting down to your home when you peek out from the window.

So its like that huh? They can suffer because of your grudge, you are safe up in the sky.Roll

Come down and watch how Caldari people are living, how little childrens are playing, maybe you will remember them, and why you fight. A hint: its not retribution and bloodshed of civilians.

State dont need to get itself into such barbaric vendettas to prosper and take back from Gallente what is rightly theirs. I am sure Caldari people are better than that "bombard Gallente" thing, and will not resort to massacres.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

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Tressith Sefira
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#50 - 2016-09-08 22:20:02 UTC
I guess I'm really disappointed.

I'm only around on the space side because my best friend Bel and my sister who're both in SFRIM, and I got an impression or I made some assumptions about SFRIM acuz of that, that I guess aren't true. And it's a real shame because some people I've met I really really really love. Thal's like my brother-in-arms. Kador's wise beyond his years. I can't say I've ever agreed philosophically with anyone more than Aria (Miss Jenneth? I guess I'll edit my post when I figure out which she prefers to be called.)

And I know that the IGS is a shithole, but that's largely a capsuleers' and DUSTers' own making. And now it seems like SFRIM contributes to that. I can't say I've ever gotten along with my family innat if they say that space is empty, I'll say it's full, but I thought at least my best friend wouldn't be a member of an organisation so loudly and passionately hateful and racist and destructive. I thought with how so many a my friends were in it, that they'd at least quietly tolerate me and people roughly like me. Keep their racist stuff in private where most racist stuff's kept.

But I've seen several members and friends of the corporation do it loudly in public now for several days... I guess I was naive in hoping.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2016-09-08 22:24:16 UTC
You're in Sanxing, which I believe has links to Villore Accord.

If so, a few marching songs shouldn't even register on your racist-dar.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#52 - 2016-09-08 22:28:38 UTC
Everyone is racist, but there is only one way to be properly racist.

Ni-Kunni supremacy is on the horizon. Bow down to your true masters and we will make your food mercifully mild. Resist us and you shall be doomed to eat only the spiciest of beetle dishes for the rest of your lives.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
William Danneskjold
#53 - 2016-09-08 22:49:52 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Everyone is racist, but there is only one way to be properly racist.

Ni-Kunni supremacy is on the horizon. Bow down to your true masters and we will make your food mercifully mild. Resist us and you shall be doomed to eat only the spiciest of beetle dishes for the rest of your lives.


Seriously, can I have a seat at your dinner table? I ******* love spicy food. This is actually dead serious. I grow my own spices in my garden, and love cooking.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#54 - 2016-09-08 22:53:16 UTC
I recognize Ni-Kunni supremacy. Now if I could just get a Ni-Kunni girlfriend.

It's true. Ni-Kunni women are the cutest in the cluster. I think the Lord Consort agrees with me.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Bel Boma
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2016-09-08 23:04:44 UTC
This is not the corporation I joined, but it damn well may be the one I leave.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#56 - 2016-09-08 23:06:27 UTC
Bel Boma wrote:
This is not the corporation I joined, but it damn well may be the one I leave.
I guess I will have to scratch Ms. Boma off my list.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#57 - 2016-09-08 23:31:45 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
I recognize Ni-Kunni supremacy. Now if I could just get a Ni-Kunni girlfriend.

It's true. Ni-Kunni women are the cutest in the cluster. I think the Lord Consort agrees with me.


Wars have started for milder statements, mind.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#58 - 2016-09-08 23:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
In all honesty, however, this whole thing is ridiculous.

I have a solution that should please everyone.

Alizabeth should shut up. She should not have made this thread during a time of increased tension between Gallente and Amarr capsuleers, and her little tryst in the realm of mocking satire was made in poor taste. The post should be removed and relevant parties should reprimand her in some way.

The Gallente and Gallente sympathizers offended by her post should harden up. Alizabeth is a Caldari marine veteran who grew up fighting and preparing to fight the Federation. Every armed force in the cluster dehumanizes their enemy in some way, and the Gallente military is no exception. I am absolutely certain there are anti-Caldari songs and slogans just as bad, if not worse, than the one she posted here. As a matter of fact, I can recall times where Gallente actions were worse, as evidenced by the black sites they keep Caldari POWs in. In all honesty we Amarr should not even have to take willy-willed Gallente sensibilities into account, but we do so anyway as a courtesy. Clam down, take account of your own sins, and brush off the jeers Alizabeth sent your way. I think you can handle it.

Now everyone can get along and get back to more important things.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2016-09-08 23:47:50 UTC
Tressith Sefira wrote:
I guess I'm really disappointed.

I'm only around on the space side because my best friend Bel and my sister who're both in SFRIM, and I got an impression or I made some assumptions about SFRIM acuz of that, that I guess aren't true. And it's a real shame because some people I've met I really really really love. Thal's like my brother-in-arms. Kador's wise beyond his years. I can't say I've ever agreed philosophically with anyone more than Aria (Miss Jenneth? I guess I'll edit my post when I figure out which she prefers to be called.)

And I know that the IGS is a shithole, but that's largely a capsuleers' and DUSTers' own making. And now it seems like SFRIM contributes to that. I can't say I've ever gotten along with my family innat if they say that space is empty, I'll say it's full, but I thought at least my best friend wouldn't be a member of an organisation so loudly and passionately hateful and racist and destructive. I thought with how so many a my friends were in it, that they'd at least quietly tolerate me and people roughly like me. Keep their racist stuff in private where most racist stuff's kept.

But I've seen several members and friends of the corporation do it loudly in public now for several days... I guess I was naive in hoping.


Oh dear.

So-- Triss?

I don't disagree, really, but--

I was in this corp, before. PY-RE. I still kind of identify as a Falcon to this day. It was full of what a lot of the cluster consider awful people: "kill-crazy" Caldari mercenaries, one Caldari in particular who saw herself as training for a genocidal war, Angel Cartel, Sansha's Nation-- I think we even had a Sani.

But ... they had roles to play, and they played them. I was their trusted ally, and they were mine. We were travelers together, sharing camp on a long road. Even if we'd be enemies at the end.

They were my friends. Some still are.

I don't really judge people very much, Triss. I make my own way, and, mostly, leave others alone.

After I realized what the work was doing to me, though, this is where I came to heal.

The Society attracts a lot of different people (mostly not as scary as PY-RE). Some are healers, like Directrix Daphiti. A lot more of us are ... odd.

For one reason or another.

(Myself very much included.)

Ali, for all that she's converted to the Amarr faith, is still really Caldari in certain ways. When the Directrix got really badly hurt on my watch, she asked me whether I'd offered to surrender my life for my failure. (I had, to much Amarrian horror.)

Like it or not the Caldari, as a culture, can really hold a grudge. They don't see things in terms of what's been done to an individual; Caldari typically care very much about things that happened to their grandparents and great-grandparents. You see-- they don't see that as something that happened long ago. They see it as something that happened to them. The events of the "Great War" might seem a distant memory to the Gallente. To the Caldari ... it's kind of like they were last week. They also don't tend to be very big on intellectualism and knowledge for its own sake (in sharp contrast to Achura).

And like a lot of Caldari, Ali still really holds that grudge. Even if she's Amarr, now. I'm not sure it's healthy, but, it's a part of who she is. Maybe it'll change over time. Maybe not.

We're really different, and we disagree a lot, but ... she's a friend, too, Triss. Considering that she's Amarr by faith, and oathbound to Lady Admiral Newelle, she has as much right to be here as I do.

Probably more.

You seem to think of SFRIM as good people, and I don't wholly disagree, but, for that to really be true, I'd have to think of myself as a good person, too.

And, I don't. At least not completely.

We're mostly a little broken, here. Maybe all capsuleers are.

If we were whole, we might not need a home like this.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2016-09-08 23:59:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
In all honesty, however, this whole thing is ridiculous.

I have a solution that should please everyone.

Alizabeth should shut up. She should not have made this thread during a time of increased tension between Gallente and Amarr capsuleers, and her little tryst in the realm of mocking satire was made in poor taste. The post should be removed and relevant parties should reprimand her in some way.

The Gallente and Gallente sympathizers offended by her post should harden up. Alizabeth is a Caldari marine veteran who grew up fighting and preparing to fight the Federation. Every armed force in the cluster dehumanizes their enemy in some way, and the Gallente military is no exception. I am absolutely certain there are anti-Caldari songs and slogans just as bad, if not worse, than the one she posted here. As a matter of fact, I can recall times where Gallente actions were worse, as evidenced by the black sites they keep Caldari POWs in. In all honesty we Amarr should not even have to take willy-willed Gallente sensibilities into account, but we do so anyway as a courtesy. Clam down, take account of your own sins, and brush off the jeers Alizabeth sent your way. I think you can handle it.

Now everyone can get along and get back to more important things.


[SFRIM] The Evocatus's OP was addressed internally. I trust she will be more mindful as to context in the future. (In a mixed blessing, I frankly found quite a few of the responses sharing similar songs and memories enlightening as to everyone's disparate backgrounds and hope the thread can be seen in that light). As noted above, the lyrics are certainly not SFRIM's policy.

In the spirit of engagement, with the Villore Accords, the Society has already extended, in the tradition of Amarr hospitality, an invitation to members of the delegation to a post-Coronation mixer between any Faithful who choose to attend and any Delegates of the Villore Accords, who choose to attend. The mixer, an ice cream social, will be on the 28th of September and consist of ice-cream "cocktails" aka sundaes and music. Location will be Bel's Ice Cream Parlour at Emperor Family Academy. Time TBD.

Further, I have discussed with the Evocatus about inviting any of the Villore Accord delegates in the area for the Coronation to join us in a Drifter op during that time period. I hereby cordially extend that invitation here and hope that a joint fleet, wherein differences are set aside, might be able to show what happens when the capsuleers of the cluster work cooperatively and not in opposition for a common end against a common foe. Time TBD.