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PVE (combat) options?

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Yadira Kerr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-09-16 01:55:54 UTC
I'm trying to figure out what would be viable and interesting to do, PVE wise. Thing is that I REALLY dislike grinding (done it too much in other MMOs) and while i ofcourse realise that everything, to a point, is a grind I'd like to at least make it interesting enough for me to not get annoyed by it too much. I tried doing the Epic Arc but got fed up with that due to an issue, and I tried doing normal lvl 1 missions but I just can't do it.

I've checked the "what to do" site and while that's very helpful in stating options it doesn't really grade them in terms of profitability, fun or it being interesting. I'm not primarily looking for the best income (I've sold a plex to help me get started and would it be needed I'll sell another one) but rather something that interesting, teaches me a lot and hopefully fun to do.

I'm really trying to find fun stuff to do, right now I'm kinda bored as I'm training up the capacitor skills resulting in me not logging on very much and I'd like to change that. Some things to consider; i have VERY limited SP and trying to work my way towards a Guardian with the least possible detours. I fly Amarr exclusively (Gave Minmatar a thought but I just don't like the ships).

So far I've learned scanning, made an alt and done some trading. I'm looking for new and interesting things to do that force me to learn and pay attention. Any ideas?

My Blog: http://yadiraeve.wordpress.com/

 

KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#2 - 2011-09-16 02:31:58 UTC

Lowsec exploration is pretty exciting and profitable.. Get into an Anethema and find sites while dodging players.

Dum Spiro Spero

foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#3 - 2011-09-16 07:04:10 UTC
Try lowsec/nulsec/wormhole exploration. Profitability is really variable. Fun is quite high. Attention and learning result in survival, so there can be quite a bit of adrenaline.

Try market PvP. Profitability can be insane. Fun really depends on your personality. You sure have to learn and pay attention. No adrenaline.

Try manufacture. Profitability can be good. Fun really depends on your personality. You sure have to learn and pay attention. no adrenaline.

Try actual ship PvP. Profitability is usually borderline survival if you are any good. Can be profitable if you are excellent. Attention and learning result in survival, a lot of adrenaline.

And yes, none of the above are really PvE, since in theory there is no PvE in EvE only indirect PvP. You PvP since you first log in, till you close your account (and up to 90 days after!).

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.

Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-09-16 07:56:14 UTC
there is no "interesting" non-grindy PvE in EVE.

Wormholes and Incursions come closest but have pretty high SP requirements (wh: shield logistics, nightmare or tengu; incursions: guardian, legion, zealot, absolution or loki).
The encounters themselves are no more challenging than mission/complexes (except you have to do them as a group) and after having done each site a few times no explicit coordination is necessary - everybody just does the same job as always.
Due to the high ISK/h and the opportunity to socialize these forms of PvE feel however a little less grindy...
(and as for incursions you are basically a small armor HAC gang you don't have to run from PvP should the opportunity present itself)

Exploration can be fun for a few days but income is pretty unpredictable. However you can do the low-sec exploration sites in a battlecruiser so the skill requirements are ok.
I only did some exploration in Serpentis low-sec which basically came down to "Is there a site that might drop the Nanite Control skillbook? If not, move on to next system..."
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2011-09-16 10:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Incursions? They are great fun and while they do require some skill point backbone, I believe you could get into a battlecruiser reasonably quickly and do Vanguard sites, for example. This excellent guide has a lot of information on how to set up for incursions and find fleets.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire

Yadira Kerr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-09-16 19:25:25 UTC
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, I'm working my way towards incursions (hence me trying to aim for a Guardian as fast as possible), it's more that I'm trying to do and learn things right now as it's going to be a while before I'm sufficiently ready.

I have been explained on how to stay alive a bit in low sec and this afternoon I've spent killing NPCs in low sec, while this is ofcourse very much grinding the added aspect of having to pay attention makes it interesting and I learn stuff at the same time. Funny thing is that while that system was mostly empty, almost every time someone entered we had a chat back and forth, so less chatter and nonsense than in high sec and more actual conversations. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about; broadening my horizon so to speak.

On that note, is there an Amarr ship that can decently well scan and do combat at the same time? Someone told me he switches ships all the time which to me sounds a bit silly, I would expect some sort of decent combo for it.

My Blog: http://yadiraeve.wordpress.com/

 

Yadira Kerr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-09-16 19:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Yadira Kerr
Bah, double post.

My Blog: http://yadiraeve.wordpress.com/

 

Chrandon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-16 20:31:54 UTC
Ya know if I didn't see a screenshot (checked your blog), I wouldn't have believed someone said you asked way too many questions for a newbie lol..........genius!

More on topic, some good suggestions above, reading up on some market info, even scanning - I just recently came across a nice wormhold guide. You've probably come across it already, but there if ya havn't.

Probably not doing lvl 4's yet, but they can get rather interesting, but of course grindy once your skills surpass the difficulty. Eventually you can pull entire rooms and get yourself in an OH NO!!! moment pretty darn quick. I know I still do and I even run 2 LAR's (large armor repairer).

Far as pve combat options go though, it'll all seem the same like other games. Go in, kill stuff, leave. One difference in EVE though is it all seems the same, cause you don't see the enemies up close very often....just a bunch of + + + + everywhere, no orcs, goblins, trolls, demons...etc....etc. You will need some standings to run the higher level missions so try & stick with it...it'll get more interesting later on. In regards to your Epic Arc problem, unsure there, but perhaps could restart it. They're pretty challenging (bring a friend!!!) and give great rewards.

In regards to someone switching ships often (I'm Gallente so can't help ya on Amarr), it's likely just laziness. Quicker to switch the ship, but you can save/load fittings (alt-f) so if it's a pricey ship, go that route. I use it for different tank/drones for missioning since I'm sure not gonna buy 5 or 6 Navy Dominix's just to save myself 30 seconds to switch out my armor hardeners or drones.

Good luck Yadira! Welcome back to EVE :) (and yes, mining is boring)
foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#9 - 2011-09-17 07:30:23 UTC
If you want a multipurpose Amarr ship, try the Arbitrator and then later his bigger brother the Pilgrim.

Both are very nice for exploration due to lack of dependency to high slots.

Train up your drone skills!

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.

Toshiro GreyHawk
#10 - 2011-09-17 11:43:06 UTC


My other suggestions have been covered.

But have you tried Mining?

There is no grind - but there is the drone of lasers glowing in the night.

The big thing is that - like PVP - you've no NPC telling you what to do - and if you want a challenge - mining in Lo Sec can be a real challenge. Not a good way to make money for a new person - but a real challenge.

Working in Industry, especially once you get toT2 production can also be a ... not a challenge ... but interesting. There's a lot to figure out and a good deal of complexity. Again - not something where you're going to make money as a new person but not something that's a grind either.

Mining, Industry and Trading are the intellectual careers in EVE.




The really bad news is - it's hard to get away from missions - as there are a lot of things in EVE where standings start to matter and missions is about the only way to gain them.

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Yadira Kerr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-17 19:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Yadira Kerr
foksieloy wrote:
If you want a multipurpose Amarr ship, try the Arbitrator and then later his bigger brother the Pilgrim.

Both are very nice for exploration due to lack of dependency to high slots.

Train up your drone skills!


That's the conclusion I've come to myself (with some help ofcourse) and it goes back to a post I made earlier about which weapon system to focus on first; lasers, drones or missiles. I guess it's going to be drones afterall. thing is that I DO like lasers but they can wait.

Toshiro GreyHawk wrote:
But have you tried Mining?


I have, last year. It made me stop playing as it was so boring :P



On a somewhat similar note; I've lost my slicer in low sec, not to PVP (I was capable of dodging that and it's a fairly quiet system anyway) but I decided to have a look at anomalies, I found a Bloodraider forlon Den and went in. The first few waves I did fine but then all of a sudden a new wave spawns which removes my cap in mere seconds and they also kept me from warping off.

How can An active tanking Amarr ship deal with bloodraiders who remove your cap so fast, from what I've learned they're the only faction that hurt THAT bad so if you want to do the exploration roam thing you can't do it in Amarr space with an Amarr ship? Any solution to this?

My Blog: http://yadiraeve.wordpress.com/

 

Toshiro GreyHawk
#12 - 2011-09-18 05:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Yeah, if you hate it - don't mine.



As to cap ... I had a problem like that with some rats in Amarr space on one of those Recon Missions. They used a cap drain on me - big red beam with one hell of a range to it.

What I did - was to install a cap booster - so I could kill the guy draining me before I was drained.

Of course - if you're getting warp scrambled you may want to kill those guys first.



You may have trouble fitting that cap booster on something like a Slicer though as it goes in a mid slot. I was using an Arbitrator/Maller (Gank/Tank) team.


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foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#13 - 2011-09-18 19:21:02 UTC
You have three solid options against neuting NPCs.

  1. Passive tank (draek)
  2. Range (Tachyons <3)
  3. Capacitor booster


A natural recharge short range laser ship is a pretty bad choice against them. :)

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2011-09-19 02:48:11 UTC
I had the opportunity to do some ratting in Delve against Blood Raiders. Kinetic damage is not so great vs them. While I didn't really have to worry about cap drain in a Drake, it didn't help that Kinetic is one of the worst damage types for them. I found range tanking was really the best way to deal with them. Plus you still have a 25m3 drones bay, enough for a full flight of small drones for those pesky scramming frigates.

That aside, lo-sec exploration is a decent alternative to missioning.

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