EVE General Discussion

You could always make a Clean Forum Alt to go with your Dirty Forum Alt.

That's exactly the type of post expected. Accusations with no evidence. Sad but typical.

Juvenile potshots, still no evidence.

Also sad but more typical behaviour.

At least in this case it's not being applied to Eve, just to the easy and trendy concept of boggyman rich and powerful.

I asked how his concept reconciled with those endeavours.

So far I've seen nothing but pointless attacks and no evidence.

Post your evidence. I'm intelligent enough to be able to understand most concepts. But if you lack evidence, you have little more than conspiracy and personal hatred for the individuals involved.

That's not my issue. Just post the evidence and an intelligent debate can be had.

Taking just one of those endeavours, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (http://www.gatesfoundation.org/). The values of the foundation include:

- All lives have equal value
- Ensure more children and young people thrive and survive
- Empower the poorest, especially women and children to transform their lives
- Combat infectious disease
- Inspire people to take action to change the World

The foundation has invested more than 3 Billion dollars to achieving those aims.

How does that reconcile with the view that the way people play Eve is the way people in society would act in RL if they could and a very accurate reflection of why the rich and powerful shouldn't be allowed to get moreso?

My contention isn't that they are somehow saintly and above everyone. Rather that society isn't somehow deraved at it's core and those people and the things they do are real examples of how most of us would act if we could. There's nothing wrong with helping other people, with putting money into providing greater good beyond ourselves. They are just examples of what all of us would be if we could and there's nothing wrong with wealth and power.

Was all this drivel directed at my post?

It is simply a defense mechanism coupled with a healthy dose of ignorance, IMO.

When somebody gets ganked they did some thing wrong. That doesn't make them stupid or dumb (unless they keep doing it). Take for example freighter ganking. A freighter with 500 million ISK in stuff in it will likely not be ganked. About 250 million will drop, which is just barely enough to cover the cost of the catalysts to gank said freighter. And even a billion ISK likely won't draw a gank...when you have some guy who put 8 billion ISK in his freighter and is coming up behind you.

So the guy wih the 8 billion in cargo gets ganked, and instead of sitting and reflecting on what happened in a calm and reasonable manner he is instead angry and unreasonable and his conclusion is only a bad person would come along and stop him from doing what he wants to do.

First, that is not the kind of game we are playing. This is a sandbox and if I notice you are doing something where I can benefit by coming over and knocking over your sandcastle (with friends) I will. People need to realize that this is the type of game they are playing. You don't have to like it, you don't have to participate in it, but you at least have to recognize it and accept....and take the necessary precautions.

Second, instead of taking at least some of the responsibility for being imprudent the player will lash out and blame everyone else. This is an entirely understandable if incorrect reaction. If I decide, as a general policy, I'll run every red light, sooner or latter it is going to have serious consequences for me and the person I hit. I was doing something thing foolish...imprudent. Something I should not have been doing. And most people have a hard time admitting their own mistakes.

These two factors explain people having oral outburst of vitriol...it is actual their own imprudence that is the issue but expecting people to face up to their own mistakes is asking a bit much of most people.

Indulge in piracy and gank away all you like, but ease up on the noobs when you're FC'ing.

I'm like you, I draw the line at certain activities even though i appreciate the fact that those activities exist because without them the game is a boring place. Imagine how fun watching Star Wars would be with no Empire, no sith, no Darth Vader and I think you will see how boring EVE would be without pirates and gankers and scammers and awoxxers. I too have met several "bad guys" and I have yet to find one "a-hole" among them. They are just average people playing a harsh scifi game.

Which leads to the paradox. I've also met some of the "white knight" anti-ganker types too. The impression I get from most of them is "church lady". What I mean is that they remind me of the people from my childhood who always had something to say about everyone else in the church but when you dug a little deeper you found someone who was doing as much dirt as everyone else was lol. Self righteous pogs.

That's why I use the term paradox, the 'bad guys' in game that i've met IRL tend to be nice people in real life, whereas the self proclaimed 'heros fighting injustice' in game are not people I would choose to associate myself IRL.

And while I know none of this is scientific, I will also say this, many of the 'in game bad guy' I've met have been people who have served others in some capacity (usually ex-military but also some fire service or law enforcement or some kind of volunteering, 1 guy i met who flat told me he was in CODE did local search and rescue volunteering with his local sheriff's office) while almost ALL of the folks I identified as white knight types at EVe meet ups always had some kind of selfish corporate/for profit type job. Make of that what you will.

I should have explained myself better. Without going into too much detail, these weren't the newest of new pilots, they had volunteered for a high-stakes roam during a time of significant conflict. I told them beforehand that this operation wasn't to be taken lightly, and expected them to be fully capable. In the end, they all did magnificently, although there were a few who I had to 'pull rank' with a little, and for some, in the heat of battle, emotions ran high. After the battle we went back to being amiable, as I always would be with corpies, vets and newbs alike.

That's utterly nonsensical, as 52 card pickup is not within the ruleset of poker, whereas the "objectionable behavior" you're attempting to analogize as such IS within the ruleset of Eve.