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I wouldn't say that there is a specific problem with the launcher, but a general one. Generaly it doesn't bloody work.

I will also be inconvenienced once in a while, for those times when the launcher breaks and ... well then I lose out on precious EVE time. I haven't had security issues in the past, so I don't feel the benefit of losing a real and important function/ability for theoretically improved security.

I'm guessing this also includes the ability to log out of a character without completely closing the client 😉😊😊

A lot of computers are protected from installing a TAP interface on them (like 99% of the public computers). Although they can run Putty (or any other SSH client) and the game can still be launched from a usb stick.

So, my question is still the same, will it still be possible to add parameters to exefile.exe for it to connect to localhost, for instance.

Thank you,

Assia

I understand why they are doing this... its to prevent people from loging 10 Alpha clone alts...

But that would be fine if the launcher actualy worked well...
Since the EVE launcher has been released and eventho theres a new one now, it never worked that well!

I have always only used the launcher to update EVE but always used the exefile like in the days before the launchers to launch the game!
And eventho the new launcher has very nice functionalitys like accessing the test servers easely and so on... 70% of the times (and thats a high %) the launcher doesnt work. forcing us again to launch EVE using the exefile!

Please make realy sure the Launcher works at 100% before removing the exefile accessibility... because right now using the exefile is the only way some of us have to login!


Regards, Z

Thank you CCP Goliath for the communication and the time to get back to this topic as promised before



1.) Do you think it is fair to assume how everyone who had their accounts forgotten sporadically or frequently is using VPN? Because the few times on Tranquility (and the often times on Singularity) where it kept forgetting my accounts or the stored character name, I have not used a VPN and it definitely was not during the times you mentioned in bulletin 2. I would ask everyone in this thread to give specifics if they used a VPN in the cases the launcher forgot their logins.

2.) Have these purges been communicated through the launcher? I cannot remember any information about these four dates. If you have communicated them elsewhere, why did you? If you intend to make the launcher the only way of logging in, then you better improve the information flow. Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and whatnot are not the ways to communicate useful information. If you think otherwise, then you definitely should consider adding a mirrored twitter feed to the launcher or something. If you did not provide any information about the purges at all on any medium, why didn't you?

3.) The problem is, the exefile stores it's settings in a different location than the launcher does. If I would boot my client now through the exefile, all my ingame settings are default. I would have to change everything again. If I start the game via the launcher afterwards, all settings are where they belong. This might give me the hint about another reason why you want to get rid of the exefile, so you do not have multiple locations to worry about. Here is a problem though;
The actual cache, including images, is to this day sitting in application data and there is nothing we can do about it. You should relocate them into shared cache. Not everyone wants their system drive to be bloated if it can be avoided.

4.) Why do you think third party launchers are out there? Could it be because they do the job better than your launcher? While I'm not going to pitch the usual "hire these folks" fit, I do make a point about how the mere existence of other Launchers should be concerning in itself.

5.) I'm not sure why you refer to the old launcher when you quoted the point of the exefile being more resilient to DDOS attacks. Was that a typo and you meant the old launcher, or did you make a context error and did not address the aforementioned exefile security?

6.) While I appreciate the option to get rid of certificate issues, how necessary is something like that? Admittedly my knowledge about certificates is limited so I don't know much about how often this needs to be done on a regular basis. What I do have to note is how Eve online is the only game / has the only launcher with this option I know of, and also with these problems. So that alone raises some questions. It's fine if you admit an open defect, but for how long has this defect now being allowed to survive? It appears it was around for quite some time, but I will stand corrected otherwise.


Well you can't log in 10 Trials through the launcher, so I'm not sure this speculation holds any water.

Runiba is only one of several whom have indicated they use the exe file. Many solo account players use it as a backup in event of launcher failure.

Based on CCP Dev posts it appears CCP is committed to this change.

The November Update was already chock full of new content, then surprise! CCP is bringing you Clone States. Next came a dizzying array of possible abuses most based on assumptions. Immediately after that we hear EvE.exe is being eliminated. It would seem that the exe elimination is in part being done as a way to mitigate potential Alpha Clone abuses.

The Clone states were supposed to be a way to gain new players. It looks like now they will be an attempt to recover what is about to be self inflicted losses.

The game economy and CCP EvE revenue is currently balanced on all of the players including to a large degree multiboxers.

Its worth considering that based on a 90 day re-sub rate, every 1000 accounts downsized or eliminated CCP will lose approximately $155,000.00 US revenue income each year on subs alone.

If this happens consistently, please submit a bug report as I've described here, preferably right after it happens. If you then mail me the bug report number in-game, I can call the right people's attention to it.

Seriously CCP, you got some weird things going on...

Couple months ago the in game browser was removed, understandable, maintaining browser support even if you can leech mozilla source code legally but is a security bug haven and PITA .. So when you click links/saved bookmarks client WAS giving a warning and opens your default browser. Until I notice yesterday BANG in game browser back when I tried using a previously saved BM in client. Kinda shocked me, don't know why it was back or if it was supposed to be back.

Now I'm guessing, and I could be wrong, it isn't supposed to be back and if that is the case it raises even stronger argument that there could be mismanagement in the build repositories and deployment. If you circle it back around to the thread's topic, if something that was supposed to and was removed somehow reappears. Why in the world should we as consumers be laid back about an aspect of the way the game works that has offered a work around to other issues frequent or infrequent as depending on the individuals experience. Running the exefile directly on an up to date patch virtually always works and quite frankly is quicker if you have previously quit the launcher and want to switch characters on the same account.

I'll stand corrected if it can be pointed out the browser was intentionally reinstated

Presuming they do it right, it's a way to prevent anything that isn't an official launcher to run exefile. That said, I hope the tradeoff is worth it. I have had a lot of trouble running the launcher myself and would hate to lose the workaround.