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CYNO rebalance!
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#21 - 2016-09-06 21:47:27 UTC
OPs name sounds familiar. Have I hotdropped you in the past?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
FT Cold
FT Cold Corporation
#22 - 2016-09-07 00:28:52 UTC
The cyno is never going to be balanced. It's a broken mechanic that can never be fixed and no amount of jump or spool up timers will help. The solution would have been to never implement jump drives for anything other than jump freighters, but the genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back. CCP doesn't have the grapes to make any more changes to it or related mechanics so you'd better get used to it.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#23 - 2016-09-07 00:30:34 UTC
How are they unbalanced? If you don't want to be hot dropped but down a jammer

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
FT Cold
FT Cold Corporation
#24 - 2016-09-07 00:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Cold
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
How are they unbalanced? If you don't want to be hot dropped but down a jammer


Don't be a demagogue, there are wider implications to this module than protecting a ratting system from hot drops. Think for one second before you write and imagine that EVE existed to this point without cynos, and in the next patch they're going to be introduced. How do you think they'd be received?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#25 - 2016-09-07 00:55:29 UTC
Lol you ask me to think for one second and you imply that a cyborg jammer will stop a blops

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
FT Cold
FT Cold Corporation
#26 - 2016-09-07 01:16:30 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Lol you ask me to think for one second and you imply that a cyborg jammer will stop a blops


Neither stated nor implied.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#27 - 2016-09-07 01:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Teddy, it's a shame to see you post such a whiny thread. I had such respect for you after all the good fights we've had in Syndicate... I didn't realize that all we needed to do was light a cyno to make you forget your balls and run away.

Cynosural fields work just fine the way they are. If you cannot handle them, then go play in high sec or wormholes. Leave null sec and low sec to those who can handle the element of surprise hotdropping. I don't hotdrop that often, but I cannot imagine 0.0 or low sec without that element of "Oh ****! There's a cyno! What's coming through it?"

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#28 - 2016-09-07 06:05:10 UTC
Yarrr
Tragot Gomndor
Three Sword Inc
#29 - 2016-09-07 08:03:46 UTC
Cynos are fine. And totaly not the reason why people leave. When i "try" to solo, i get bored after 5minutes, cuz noone to play with, but cynos are not the problem.
I cant say how to "fix" eve, but take away one of the last toys to score kills will not help this game. It would bury it.


The legacy long range jump drives and the inability to use gates were the things that made caps once special. At least to me.

Cynos are fine.

NONONONONONO TO CAPS IN HIGHSEC NO
Teddy KGB
Red Warming
3200.
#30 - 2016-09-07 16:00:34 UTC
I don't understand why most people think that i'm writing this post, coz i've been dropped. I'm warried about cyno, coz people getting dropped and if not leaving eve, then they just quit flying solo or small scale. and we meet fleets in space rarely. Yes my butt is hurt about that. I'd like to fly in space full of pilots and ships that making content, but instead i see only some known camp systems where people don't even chase me further when i move next systems. so right. i think that cyno is a part of things that make eve boring. i don't suggest to kill a cyno system. but make role ships that can use it without penalties i wrote above. thats all.
somebody say that solo or small scale pvpers are not that type of players who deserve attention of devs. but this is a type of players who make a daily content in eve. big fights do not happen every day, so think about it once again.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#31 - 2016-09-07 17:31:17 UTC
Teddy KGB wrote:
I don't understand why most people think that i'm writing this post, coz i've been dropped. I'm warried about cyno, coz people getting dropped and if not leaving eve, then they just quit flying solo or small scale. and we meet fleets in space rarely. Yes my butt is hurt about that. I'd like to fly in space full of pilots and ships that making content, but instead i see only some known camp systems where people don't even chase me further when i move next systems. so right. i think that cyno is a part of things that make eve boring. i don't suggest to kill a cyno system. but make role ships that can use it without penalties i wrote above. thats all.
somebody say that solo or small scale pvpers are not that type of players who deserve attention of devs. but this is a type of players who make a daily content in eve. big fights do not happen every day, so think about it once again.


The people who think high sec ganking is un-balanced are people who haven't given it much thought or played it from the other side.

The same exact thing is true here. Obey a few simple rules and you dramatically decrease the odds of being cyno'ed on.

A)Do not get scrammed, fly nano.

B)Bring ECM

D)Do not take obvious bait.

E)Fly things that plainly aren't worth the drop.

F)Counter-Drop. Pirate If you do not have the resources/SP/ISK, there are plenty of people who do. EvE is a social game, and there are plenty of people hungry for KMs that you can work with and befriend.

Cynos provide a way to really dumpster gate camps and break their otherwise perfect intel, where this would not be possible otherwise. This partially applies to nullsec too, where intel is already hilariously strong and eliminates all risk.

You could not change cyno mechanics unless you changed local mechanics. WHs don't need cynos, but they also do not have free, perfect, 100% reliable intel at no effort cost.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#32 - 2016-09-07 18:05:45 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:


D)Do not take obvious bait.

Quote:


D)Do not take obvious bait.

Quote:


D)Do not take obvious bait.

Quote:


D)Do not take obvious bait.


^

the amount of ppl who rage when the attack a proc with no miner and we drop on them

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2016-09-07 20:57:50 UTC
FT Cold wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
How are they unbalanced? If you don't want to be hot dropped but down a jammer


Don't be a demagogue, there are wider implications to this module than protecting a ratting system from hot drops. Think for one second before you write and imagine that EVE existed to this point without cynos, and in the next patch they're going to be introduced. How do you think they'd be received?


Shocked

You can't even be arsed to write down why you think cynos are "broken".

Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2016-09-07 20:59:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Teddy KGB wrote:
I don't understand why most people think that i'm writing this post, coz i've been dropped. I'm warried about cyno, coz people getting dropped and if not leaving eve, then they just quit flying solo or small scale.


Oh shut up. I am so sick and tired of Bads™ using the declining player numbers to promote their own agenda.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teddy KGB
Red Warming
3200.
#35 - 2016-09-07 21:09:32 UTC
i see lots of people raging about cyno nerf idea. probably the lovers of cyno warfare Lol
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#36 - 2016-09-07 21:25:22 UTC
Teddy KGB wrote:
i see lots of people raging about cyno nerf idea. probably the lovers of cyno warfare Lol


Cynos are horrible gameplay. I say that as a person who has lit their fair share of them.

The only thing worse than cynos is local. One mandates the others existence.

Stop worrying and love the Hotdrop.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-09-07 22:59:15 UTC
Teddy KGB wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
lol the guy thinks an MMO should be balanced around solo and one built around rewarding working with others no less

i just look at ONLINE stats for eve and see it dropping down. people quit playing eve so, you can think whatever you want but one day you'll face the problem that nothing to think about, coz only player in this game will be you and your friend sitting in titan. both.. in one. lol
and all you'll be able to drop is an NPC in asteroid belt




That, if we give the other threads some credit, is empire bears leaving because of mean gankers. Empire gankers don't have cyno drops. Drops in 0.0 and sometimes low sec part of the package tour out there.

FT Cold
FT Cold Corporation
#38 - 2016-09-07 23:16:50 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Teddy KGB wrote:
i see lots of people raging about cyno nerf idea. probably the lovers of cyno warfare Lol


Cynos are horrible gameplay. I say that as a person who has lit their fair share of them.

The only thing worse than cynos is local. One mandates the others existence.

Stop worrying and love the Hotdrop.


This guy gets it. You get a gold star friendo.
Teddy KGB
Red Warming
3200.
#39 - 2016-09-08 00:12:36 UTC
people don't fly battleships cos they get dropped imidiately. i'm tired of killing svipuls.. svipuls are everywhere.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#40 - 2016-09-08 02:07:19 UTC
FT Cold wrote:
The cyno is never going to be balanced. It's a broken mechanic that can never be fixed and no amount of jump or spool up timers will help. The solution would have been to never implement jump drives for anything other than jump freighters, but the genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back. CCP doesn't have the grapes to make any more changes to it or related mechanics so you'd better get used to it.

I kinda' disagree here. It's definitely broken. The whole two-clicks-to-do-an-instant-5LY-pinpoint-jump is a dumb thing, but you can improve it by attacking the instant and pinpoint parts of the mechanic.

How you do that without dumping all over blops is something I don't know.