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Arrendis
TK Corp
#21 - 2016-09-07 22:00:23 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Tasteless and inappropriate.


I do have to ask, by the way, since it's come up a couple of times now: what makes this inappropriate in its own thread? What is it that make it not appropriate for people to share the songs and stories of their youth, that we might better understand one another? I mean, sure, we all know the Caldari and Gallente have been at odds since they met, but I had no idea the matter was something that had filtered down to the level of children singing battle songs in their schools at fourteen. The idea of it actually surprised me, though after I was struck by how much I felt like it really shouldn't have.

So:on a forum where literally everything from favorite recipes to the atrocities of the Butcher have been discussed, why is it inappropriate for people to talk about this?
William Danneskjold
#22 - 2016-09-07 22:18:18 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Tasteless and inappropriate.


I do have to ask, by the way, since it's come up a couple of times now: what makes this inappropriate in its own thread? What is it that make it not appropriate for people to share the songs and stories of their youth, that we might better understand one another? I mean, sure, we all know the Caldari and Gallente have been at odds since they met, but I had no idea the matter was something that had filtered down to the level of children singing battle songs in their schools at fourteen. The idea of it actually surprised me, though after I was struck by how much I felt like it really shouldn't have.

So:on a forum where literally everything from favorite recipes to the atrocities of the Butcher have been discussed, why is it inappropriate for people to talk about this?


Because Reasons!

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2016-09-07 22:23:56 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Karmilla Strife wrote:
Tasteless and inappropriate.


I do have to ask, by the way, since it's come up a couple of times now: what makes this inappropriate in its own thread? What is it that make it not appropriate for people to share the songs and stories of their youth, that we might better understand one another? I mean, sure, we all know the Caldari and Gallente have been at odds since they met, but I had no idea the matter was something that had filtered down to the level of children singing battle songs in their schools at fourteen. The idea of it actually surprised me, though after I was struck by how much I felt like it really shouldn't have.

So:on a forum where literally everything from favorite recipes to the atrocities of the Butcher have been discussed, why is it inappropriate for people to talk about this?

I guess it advocates genocide maybe?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#24 - 2016-09-07 22:28:16 UTC
No moreso than anyone quoting the Amarr Scriptures does.

Are they 'inappropriate', too?
William Danneskjold
#25 - 2016-09-07 22:33:16 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
No moreso than anyone quoting the Amarr Scriptures does.

Are they 'inappropriate', too?


Most assuredly.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-09-08 02:44:45 UTC
Oh look. Bait.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Arrendis
TK Corp
#27 - 2016-09-08 03:11:38 UTC
Don't be all mopey. Share something from your upbringing. I'm sure there's something rude and offensive there we can all laugh about, too.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2016-09-08 03:16:02 UTC
My childhood songs are work songs and ritualistic chants (for easing the transition of metal and polymer spirits into machine spirits), and none of them can be translated into common without losing all their nuances.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#29 - 2016-09-08 03:42:36 UTC
Oooh, we had ones like that for cajoling the spirits of critical station systems to behave and cease their mischief. And i agree, translating them makes them lose their nuance, their reverence, their spirituality.

Vinna, fjandinn þú, vinna!
Hættu að vera þyrnir í bak mitt!
vinna þarf að gera á réttum tíma
Þetta kerfi þarf að vera á netinu!

Vinna, fjandinn þú, vinna!
Þú heldur að þú ert fyndinn en þú ert ekki
Ef þú hegða sér ekki ég skipta þér
með Brutor-liðinu eftirlíkingu

Vinna, fjandinn þú, vinna!
ó, koma á, skaltu bara einu sinni að vinna
Ég er nú þegar seint í matinn
og mamma mín verður svo vitlaus

Vinna, fjandinn þú, vinna!
vinsamlegast? Nei? Jæja fínt!
Þú ert ekki heimskulegur neinn!
Ég ætla bara að kaupa nýjan á morgun.

Einmitt, ég ætlaði ekki að.
En þú þarft virkilega að vinna.
Mig langar að fá smá svefn núna
bíddu, er það, er það? ÞÚ VINNUR!
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-09-08 04:01:05 UTC
Is this offensive to someone? If it's not a little offensive or at least funny, I don't know what the point is.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#31 - 2016-09-08 04:12:40 UTC
It might be offensive to some spirits...
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2016-09-08 04:14:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
To the extent offense may have been inadvertently given by the Evocatus's recollection of a childhood Caldari song (which has apparently prompted other recollections from a wide spectrum of posters across the Cluster which has been illuminating), I will be clear (as I have stated before) that her recollections are her own, as are any IGS posts by any of the Society's pilots not designated an official statement of the Society (e.g. [SFRIM]) in the message header.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-09-08 04:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Yeah, those songs of ours. They are also mnemonic devices. They help us remember the steps of fabrication and maintenance, time the motions, recall the chemical reaction formulas, all of it. Translating them will ruin the entire purpose of them, along with the reverence part.

Of course, it is required for the singers to actually be the practitioners of the relevant trades. Otherwise they wouldn't get what these songs are conveying.

We have alot of those really, specific for every kind of machine we have ever produced or worked with. Our Shaman works with the Fabricator Circle, Preserver Circle and the Skaldi Circle to devise or revise these songs whenever a new machine is produced or existing machine is remodelled. Just browsing the digital catalogue can cause anyone to go cross-eyed.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-09-08 04:36:04 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Is this offensive to someone? If it's not a little offensive or at least funny, I don't know what the point is.


Careful, darling. You might get unpersoned if you try to be funny.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
morion
Lighting Build
#35 - 2016-09-08 04:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#36 - 2016-09-08 05:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
I cringed back from screen with disgust.
Too much about bombarding others, too little about appreciacion of your own people I think.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-09-08 08:41:07 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I cringed back from screen with disgust.
Too much about bombarding others, too little about appreciacion of your own people I think.

If you want to cringe at someone, you shall cringe at Gallente, who actually did bombard Caldari Prime for real.

And cringing at just a song proposing to give gallente same treatment is, excuse me for rudeness, straightforward idiotic... well, unless you are a gallentean bootlicker. In that case it would be not idiotic, but hypocritic.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#38 - 2016-09-08 11:34:47 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Is this offensive to someone? If it's not a little offensive or at least funny, I don't know what the point is.



I find it amusing. Songs of this sort are funny as comedic skits, and downright laughable when sung in earnest by silly people who like marching and bombast.

It reminds me of a popular theatre show from bygone days, which featured a couple of fellows trying to lose money on a show to avoid tax. There was a fabulously camp song, with lots of racy dancers dressed in severe black leather jackboots, written to lampoon such martial nonsense.

It was something like: "Springtime for Tibus and Caldareee! Ishukone is happy and gay." And so forth.

Jolly funny, not remotely a statement of Federal foreign policy.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#39 - 2016-09-08 11:51:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I cringed back from screen with disgust.
Too much about bombarding others, too little about appreciacion of your own people I think.

If you want to cringe at someone, you shall cringe at Gallente, who actually did bombard Caldari Prime for real.

And cringing at just a song proposing to give gallente same treatment is, excuse me for rudeness, straightforward idiotic... well, unless you are a gallentean bootlicker. In that case it would be not idiotic, but hypocritic.

If we would all live by the rules this song is about.... Well, see you in one of them explosion craters.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
William Danneskjold
#40 - 2016-09-08 13:02:56 UTC
Inappropriate or not, offensive or not, It is important to remember that she does have a right to post it.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.