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Imperial Guard confirms rumors of thwarted attack in Throne Worlds

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Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2016-09-07 00:48:31 UTC
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It has since been confirmed by the Imperial Guard that there was no loss of human life due to the attack, however a division of 246 Syrikos hounds were killed after their kennel block was flooded with hazardous vapors.

Udorians in the past slaves. There were slaves remained slaves.
The wealth does not protect them. Twisted
Arrendis
TK Corp
#22 - 2016-09-07 04:19:31 UTC
Wow, Ayallah. Just… wow. You’re bad at this.

You claim that the EF Bureau owning and operating the facility means something vis-a-vis the two hundred thousand Imperial Guard posted there, so they're somehow not on the hook for this.

The Imperial Guard is the personal guard of the ruler.

That means they guard the Emperor, and the Emperor's estates. For the Imperial Guard to leave the protection of the Emperor's estates (including all properties of the EFB, the 'holy family of the emperors') to anyone else would mean creating a huge hole in that protection, necessitating replacing all guards in a location whenever the Emperor/Empress shows up. Changing personnel means an opening wherepeople who don't know one another are milling around. This makes it easier to slip in unnoticed. You don't do that. You keep the Imperial Guard tasked with it all the time, so security remains consistent, and there's no ridiculous change of personnel.

With me so far?

Just as a refesher here, since you seem prone to missing the obvious: Who oversees the Emperor's estates? Especially while there's no Emperor?
Here's a hint: Starts with an 'E', ends with a 'mperor Family'.
Guess who defends them, because that's part of the Emperor's estates?

Three guesses, any that aren't 'The Imperial Guard, you idiot' don't count.

So, yes, the whole station is guarded by the Imperial Guard. That would also be why the Imperial Guard is one of the two agencies investigating the attack. The Imperial Guard would also be responsible for background checks on the Emperor Family Bureau workers, as that's who might get close to the Emperor. So while it's nice that you're trying to come up with excuses for their failures, you're only demonstrating that they're not the only 'elite soldiers' the Empire's trained who are clearly incompetent.

A larger message than Safizon? I'm sorry, did someone make a comparison, or are you setting up a strawman, so you can argue against a point unmade? Try not to be so obvious.

I think the relative size of two different attacks, enacted by different enemis is completely irrelevant. And her guard didn't 'deftly avoid an attack'. They got lucky and managed to evacuate people after failing to avoid an attack. The attack went off. There were hundreds of casualties. If the layout of the facilities had been different, those might have been people.

No citizen of the Empire will stand against her because of this, you say? There are clearly individuals in the Empire who do stand against her, either citizens, or foreign agitators. If they're citizens, then yes, there are others who will be emboldened by the Guard's inability to prevent the attack. There is no time to arrange for a 'replacement with a more competent guard' - there are three weeks. Your training took more than three weeks, right? You, an immortal with years of combat experiencem say this attack was pathetic. Common citizens will see that there was an attack, and feel less secure. They're not going to comforted by 'the Imperial Guard was able to rush everyone out in a panic, yay!'

As for the size of three decks: yes, it is a small area, against the entire station, and it was a low-population area. Can you imagine attempting to evacuate three decks of more than 20,000/sq km? That's 'high-population'. There would be fatalities just in people trampling one another.

Did the bombs go off? Did people with them manage to go places where they weren't supposed to have them? Then the Guard were lax. No excuse, justification or evasion, changes that.

Next bit:

Military installations are actually targeted relatively often by terrorists. Military victories, however, are not the objective. Demonstrating those installations are vulnerable, that the protectors are weak, soft, lax, have poor discipline, and just aren't that scary. That's the objective. The idea that military installations aren't targeted is ridiculous. Those are the best targets. Blow up a barracks with a vehicle loaded with explosives. Destroy a checkpoint with a suicide vest. Show that you can strike at them, and they cannot stop you. That's the goal. And that's what they did.

You think unease in the Empire is worthless? When the OOJ is so eager to reassure people that one threat has been beaten back, after a trial where the individual houses were vying with one another openly, and their supporters were sniping at one another and calling one another all manner of names here, nevermind what they were doing in the security of their own enclaves... Oh no, unease is so valuable right now, before the new Empress can put the machinery of the Empire to work binding the Houses together again.

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It is far too early to claim anyone 'failed' here. . .
I agree, this is what I said in my post.


Love how you attempt to completely change my statement by omitting 'except, of course, the Imperial Guard.'

You claimed only the people who were at least somewhat successful have failed. That they've gained nothing.

You're wrong.

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As I said before the Imperial Guard were not at fault. Oh, and the strange behavior of members of the public was the early effects of nerve agent exposure


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It is believed at this stage that suspicious behavior from several members of the public in addition to noise from detonations of the chemical devices alerted officers of the Imperial Guard who were on security duty at the time.


Not 'strange'. Suspicious. As in 'behaving in a way to arouse suspicion'. They were being suspected of something. You do need to learn how to be effective in your misinformation. And hey, look at the end of that. The Imperial Guard aren't at fault? Who was on security duty, Ayallah?

I hope you're a better soldier than you are a propagandist.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2016-09-07 06:17:48 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:

Give the number of the organizer is attack.
I'll give them money at a reasonable action.


To beat is necessary for the structure of government.
Strong and powerful.
Too early to come out of the shadows PiratePiratePirate


I don't think you were in the shadows to start with, traitor.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-09-07 06:42:02 UTC
Double down if you like Arrendis.

Perhaps next time just read the article rather than skim it.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2016-09-07 12:35:03 UTC
This is really worrisome.

You think you're safe in your Captain's Quarters.. then you hear about this!

I hope everyone in the Empire unites behind our new Empress.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2016-09-07 12:57:59 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:

Give the number of the organizer is attack.
I'll give them money at a reasonable action.


To beat is necessary for the structure of government.
Strong and powerful.
Too early to come out of the shadows PiratePiratePirate


I don't think you were in the shadows to start with, traitor.



No.
I only agree with the opposition.
And strongly support it Twisted
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2016-09-07 13:03:08 UTC
Maria Daphiti wrote:
This is really worrisome.

You think you're safe in your Captain's Quarters.. then you hear about this!

I hope everyone in the Empire unites behind our new Empress.


Does that mean I must wear rebreathers indoors again? In my own room?

Just like old times, I guess. Better get a whole set for Isi, staff and crew.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2016-09-07 16:10:10 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:

Give the number of the organizer is attack.
I'll give them money at a reasonable action.


To beat is necessary for the structure of government.
Strong and powerful.
Too early to come out of the shadows PiratePiratePirate


I don't think you were in the shadows to start with, traitor.



No.
I only agree with the opposition.
And strongly support it Twisted


You are an apologist for terrorism and a traitor to the peoples of Amarr and the Empire.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2016-09-07 16:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
No.
I only agree with the opposition.
And strongly support it Twisted


You are an apologist for terrorism and a traitor to the peoples of Amarr and the Empire.


I don't think that's ever really been in question, sir.

Maybe he's best ignored?


Maria Daphiti wrote:
This is really worrisome.

You think you're safe in your Captain's Quarters.. then you hear about this!


I don't think we've ever been safe, there.

You might have heard me say that I'm not all that attached to this existence, Ms. Daphiti. That I don't really expect to exist for very long.

... It's not space (in my pod, with conditions ideal for cloning) I expect I'll be killed in, though. Anyone meaning to destroy us would be foolish to come at us where we're strong.

A capsuleer out of pod might come with all kinds of enhancement, but, really, is still just a person.
Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2016-09-07 20:45:04 UTC
Maria Daphiti wrote:
This is really worrisome.

You think you're safe in your Captain's Quarters.. then you hear about this!

I hope everyone in the Empire unites behind our new Empress.


If you cannot control the station yourself, it isn't safe. Do not trust any security that ultimately does not report to you or your alliance. This is coming former Chief of Station Security.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2016-09-07 21:06:53 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
Maria Daphiti wrote:
This is really worrisome.

You think you're safe in your Captain's Quarters.. then you hear about this!

I hope everyone in the Empire unites behind our new Empress.


If you cannot control the station yourself, it isn't safe. Do not trust any security that ultimately does not report to you or your alliance. This is coming former Chief of Station Security.

I can think of one or two alliances that shouldn't have even trusted their own security...

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

William Danneskjold
#32 - 2016-09-07 21:13:12 UTC
A government inherently requires violence and coercion to exist. Especially one that utilizes slavery of any kind. Violence only begets more violence. The violence of a State met with the violence of a terrorist.

Still, it is always sad to see a senseless loss of life.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2016-09-08 01:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:

Give the number of the organizer is attack.
I'll give them money at a reasonable action.


To beat is necessary for the structure of government.
Strong and powerful.
Too early to come out of the shadows PiratePiratePirate


I don't think you were in the shadows to start with, traitor.



No.
I only agree with the opposition.
And strongly support it Twisted


You are an apologist for terrorism and a traitor to the peoples of Amarr and the Empire.


Traitors are those who support the "Succession" with six participants.
Sixth "Signs of Faith" does not exist.
Six heirs can not exist in the council - This is heresy.
In Tash-Murkon on the "emblem" is not present Symbol of Faith.
Symbol of Faith
Sarum - The handles on swords
Kor-Azor - Ring and symbols on the edges.
Kador Family - The three symbols
Khanid Kingdom - Two ancient symbols.
Ardishapur - Ring in the form of an eye.

Tash-Murkon - Not a single Symbol of Faith. No rings.

I do not believe that the Council made a sixth member without the support of money Tash-Murkon.
I do not believe in fairytales.
I'm not like my brother.
My brother would have taken everything.
Death false Empress!
Death of corrupt officials in the sacred council!

Jamyl Sarum, the first and only empress of Amarr !!!
Arrendis
TK Corp
#34 - 2016-09-08 01:33:16 UTC
Well, it's worth remembering that Khanid rejected the succession laws of the Amarr Empire, and separated themselves from the succession. That's when the Tash-Murkon were elevated - to preserve your precious balance of five Heirs.

So if anyone should be excluded, it should be the Khanid. But they were brought back into unity with the Throne by Empress Jamyl I.

So you're saying you're so loyal to Empress Jamyl I that you'll declare her a traitor.

Wow, man. Just... wow.
Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#35 - 2016-09-08 01:34:57 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vlad Cetes wrote:
Maria Daphiti wrote:
This is really worrisome.

You think you're safe in your Captain's Quarters.. then you hear about this!

I hope everyone in the Empire unites behind our new Empress.


If you cannot control the station yourself, it isn't safe. Do not trust any security that ultimately does not report to you or your alliance. This is coming former Chief of Station Security.

I can think of one or two alliances that shouldn't have even trusted their own security...


So can we, which is why anything sensitive is kept in areas with only Collective security. Shoot to kill any intruders on sight. Even a Head of State
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-09-08 01:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Arrendis wrote:
Well, it's worth remembering that Khanid rejected the succession laws of the Amarr Empire, and separated themselves from the succession. That's when the Tash-Murkon were elevated - to preserve your precious balance of five Heirs.

So if anyone should be excluded, it should be the Khanid. But they were brought back into unity with the Throne by Empress Jamyl I.

So you're saying you're so loyal to Empress Jamyl I that you'll declare her a traitor.

Wow, man. Just... wow.


Again.
Where straight text Jamyl Sarum? The participation of all the heirs.
The Empress did not admit the heir "Khanid" to the sacred council.
He was an observer!
It is in contrast to the corrupt officials in the council knew that this would lead to an even number.

Testament of a fake!
Here only you will understand later.
If it was a testament.
It would be would be warned of war with drifters. And thus would have saved a million lives.

All her life she considered the heir Khanid "snake". And here again, and he writes a testament of his admission to the succession.
Complete nonsense and lies !
If returns heir Khanid, the Tash-Murkon should resign.
Money triumphs over evil (с)
Arrendis
TK Corp
#37 - 2016-09-08 02:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Again.
Where straight text Jamyl Sarum? The participation of all the heirs.
The Empress did not admit the heir "Khanid" to the sacred council.


She restored King Khanid to the Privy Council, and declared House Khanid once more in unity with the throne.

It was her actions that led to him being restored as an Heir, and she didn't see fit to remove Tash-Murkon from that position.

So you're still in the position where you've called the Empress you're swearing loyalty to a traitor.
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2016-09-08 02:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov Jr
Arrendis wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Again.
Where straight text Jamyl Sarum? The participation of all the heirs.
The Empress did not admit the heir "Khanid" to the sacred council.


She restored King Khanid to the Privy Council, and declared House Khanid once more in unity with the throne.


Again.
I'm asking you.
She did it during his lifetime ?
Vollhov Jr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2016-09-08 11:52:07 UTC
Purity of the Throne !!!
Purity of the Throne !!!
Purity of the Throne !!!
Purity of the Throne !!!

TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2016-09-08 13:41:04 UTC
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Vollhov Jr wrote:
Again.
Where straight text Jamyl Sarum? The participation of all the heirs.
The Empress did not admit the heir "Khanid" to the sacred council.


She restored King Khanid to the Privy Council, and declared House Khanid once more in unity with the throne.


Again.
I'm asking you.
She did it during his lifetime ?


Yes.

"Amarr - In a stunning move, Empress Jamyl I has announced that the Khanid Kingdom has been granted a full seat on the Privy Council."

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/khanid-kingdom-granted-privy-council-seat/
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