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L3 missions in Gallente Frigates
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Dornath Megara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-08-08 17:13:48 UTC
So, I finally got access to some L3 missions for the Roden Shipyard. My character is less than a month old, that of course comes with a small wallet and low sp.

So I fit an Atron and give it a shot, I can comfortably get my way with bigger ships, however whenever there are web frigs or drones I become an easy prey and need GTFO quickly.

The fit is blaster based, with invulnerability shield, afterburner, magnetic field stabiliser, damage control and armour repairer, can't quite fit a MWD due to cap.

So I have two questions: should I invest in less demanding blasters, and rearrange the fit to allow for an MWD? Or are there better options?

Otherwise, would it make more sense to fit a Tristan with Drones (currently at l4) + in your face blasters?
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#2 - 2016-08-08 20:55:50 UTC
If you only 1 month character w/o injectors - use BC/navy cruiser (Brutix/Navy Exequror) for L3 mission.
if you still want small ship for hybrid weapon - use rail Hecate.
And do this - kill frigs first, big ships later. Big ships are not a threat to small ships like frig/destroyer

Atron and Tristan for L3 really not a good choice.
Dornath Megara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-08-08 23:17:29 UTC
Mhhhh way outside of my budget and skills:/
Roci Nantes
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-08-09 00:29:14 UTC
You may need to stay in the lower missions until you can afford a bigger ship. Gives your skills some time to get better as well.
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#5 - 2016-08-09 00:59:33 UTC
Dornath Megara wrote:
Mhhhh way outside of my budget and skills:/


it will take less than a day to train cruiser/BC/medium hybrids to level 3; week to level 4.
it will take few hours to mine and build your BC.
Dornath Megara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-08-09 07:12:38 UTC
Ok cool, I'll give it a shot :)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
Transgress
#7 - 2016-08-09 09:15:52 UTC
Shield tank or armour, pick one and make a good tank, dont try to half ass tank it twice because if onw can break so can the other.

Tristan or the incursus would be a tad better suited here, imo , atrons are squishy.

Btw l3's are supposed to be done with something bigger like a cruiser or battle cruiser, this is your problem rather than your fit.

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Dornath Megara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-09 23:42:12 UTC
So, I gave it another shot and managed to finish two L3 missions with an Atron.

Lesson learned:
- Give up anything you think might be useful, if that means you can focus your defense to the damage you are going to get for the mission.
- Get rid of the bastard frigates first.
- Use AB and OH wisely.

Thanks everybody!
Aaron Raus
Diving club
#9 - 2016-08-10 14:35:58 UTC
Just because you can do L3 mission in frigate with dirt DPS does not mean you should. Sell PLEX, buy Gnosis and do not waste your time. Cause time/isk ratio will be much better. Learn how to medium micro jump drive into proper position, use MTU adjust your damage / tank to the mission specific rats (google eve-survival to get an idea what kind of damge to apply / tank in what mission).
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2016-08-12 13:12:05 UTC
Glad to see it is working.

If you want to run level 3 missions in a Gallente T1 Frigate the Incusus may be a better choice since it trades the useless propulsion jamming bonus for a bonus to your armor rep amount.

The higher CPU, PG as well as better base stats for virtually everything else that matters combined with a singe drone to boost damage or perhaps for EWAR just sweeten the deal.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#11 - 2016-08-18 12:13:59 UTC
Oh man, Donnachadh beat me to it.

But yeah, the Incursus with one rep is the ship you want to do this in. A month or two from today the Enyo will look very interesting for you but I advise to train for a Brutix, which you can fit with 200mm railguns and a web.

That will make things a lot easier for you.

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Solecist Project
#12 - 2016-08-24 13:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Thrashers, or i guess most destroyers fitted for range and speed work well with lvl3s, even as a new char.
It'll take you sweat and time, but the experience (engagement and learning) is well worth it.
And it's far from being as boring as just sitting around and shooting.
You'll actually have to think about your approach.

And you will feel much more satisfaction this way.

Until you learned enough, then step it up to go faster towards the next level.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-08-28 02:43:15 UTC
Look for Gnosis. Almost 0 skills requirements to fly it so you could focus on specific skills like gunnery or missiles either naking but it would gives you required level of comfortability to play with fitting so you would run 95% of lvl3's with no problems.

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-08-30 01:51:47 UTC
Honestly...some people...

Go back to L2 missions and blitz them whenever you can to get your isk up. The time it takes you to finish one L3 mission (if it takes you a long time to finish it), you could have completed several L2 missions for more isk and LP.

Just ignore those who tell you to buy PLEX or suggest ships that are out of your price range. But when you do get your isk up to 70-85m, then either the Brutix or Gnosis suggested will work well for you so you can be way more efficient in L3 missions.

Yes, you can do them in a frigate, but if you don't have the skills to back it up, you are doing it inefficiently...and thus wasting your time.
Varcutii Renalard
#15 - 2016-08-30 23:42:34 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Shield tank or armour, pick one and make a good tank, dont try to half ass tank it twice because if onw can break so can the other.


But...but...dual tanking seems to work so well for the little npc's.

One moment they're repping shield, if they're in armor then repping armor the next cycle. Shocked
motie one
Secret Passage
#16 - 2016-09-03 22:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Sure, experienced players do use frigates in l3 and even l4 missions for a little spice. They are a bit slow, and it's annoying when they rep more than the dps you can bring sometimes, but overall can be a blast.

However, to actually get away with this, skills tend to be pretty high, both in skillpoints and experience, and they blow up if you look at them funny.

As a new player, where cost is an issue, probably not smart, generally cruisers in l2, and some l3 (drone boats are good) and battle cruisers for l3 , battleships are good in l4, but a 100mn navy vexor for example can work almost afk in all levels with care. There is no hard and fast rule. Just be aware the suggestions are there for a reason.

Either way, it is worth reading up on the mission triggers before you dive in, kill all the triggers in some missions and you will get overwhelmed.

One piece of advice I will give you as a new player, If you need to bling up your ship to run missions, you are running the wrong missions in the wrong ship. I know you are not rich yet, but avoid the temptation later, players hit much harder.
Stick to meta and T2 fittings once available.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-09-07 17:08:27 UTC
i was going to recommend sentries but the Tristan doesnt have enough space for carrying more than one.

the Tristan could work, with T2 scout drones and a speed tanking build. however this requires much more skill points.

the Atron could speed tankwith a 10mn AB, but it gimps its powergrid so you cant fit the rest of stuff.

the Incursus however, is capable of dealing with the fit.

with a shield tanked fit you could theorically work well enough for it:

[Incursus, L3 (?)]

Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I

10mn Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Upgraded Thermal Dissipation Amplifier I

Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Reactor Control Unit I
IFFA Compact Damage Control

Antimatter S x whatever amount of ammo you need.
Hobgoblin I x1

Small Core Defense Shield Purger I
Small Core Defense Shield Purger I
Small Core Defense Shield Purger I

total DPS: 153
Peak Shield Recharge per Second: 9.9 hp/s (it was the most you could get for a passive fit without adding an extender)
Speed: 2077 m/s
Signature Radius 47.3 m (still enough to evade medium turret damage?)

i dont know if it would work. the numbers are too small. i tried to fit an armor setup but the AB made it hard
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-09-07 19:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Agrivar
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i was going to recommend sentries but the Tristan doesnt have enough space for carrying more than one.

the Tristan could work, with T2 scout drones and a speed tanking build. however this requires much more skill points.

the Atron could speed tankwith a 10mn AB, but it gimps its powergrid so you cant fit the rest of stuff.

the Incursus however, is capable of dealing with the fit.

with a shield tanked fit you could theorically work well enough for it:

[Incursus, L3 (?)]

Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I

10mn Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Upgraded Thermal Dissipation Amplifier I

Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Reactor Control Unit I
IFFA Compact Damage Control

Antimatter S x whatever amount of ammo you need.
Hobgoblin I x1

Small Core Defense Shield Purger I
Small Core Defense Shield Purger I
Small Core Defense Shield Purger I

total DPS: 153
Peak Shield Recharge per Second: 9.9 hp/s (it was the most you could get for a passive fit without adding an extender)
Speed: 2077 m/s
Signature Radius 47.3 m (still enough to evade medium turret damage?)

i dont know if it would work. the numbers are too small. i tried to fit an armor setup but the AB made it hard

I would say...no.

That thing won't blitz a L3, much less run it efficiently. Could it do a L3? Probably I could run it but not the OP.

When chain running missions, you want to be efficient. You want to get in there, blap what needs to die and GTFO to the next one. It is easy in L1 and L2 missions, but it slows down for L3 mission running in a frigate. Now people like me who have a lot of sp (I am around 65m), I have the fitting and combat skills to run L3 missions in a frigate or assault frigate, but most people who come here asking questions about it do not.

So for L1 and L2 missions, I run those in a Jaguar. Good speed and decent tank for getting through them quickly. But when it comes to L3 missions, I go with my trusty Harbinger or a Rupture. Some L3 missions can put the hurt down on anything that warps in and you want to make sure you can survive. Yes, the frigate can speed tank some of it but the dps you are putting down won't clear it fast.

And that is what you want, to clear the site fast so you can move to the next one.
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-09-10 01:52:40 UTC
I personally prefer to get my hands on mining first- while waiting for training up cruiser skills. I am currently running lvl 4 missions with HAC because guys can do a decent damage to BSs so it is a feasible way to blitz the mission. But running lvl 3 missions with frigates?

The biggest reason is, running lvl 3 missions in frigate, even advanced frigates, is not time efficient. It will cost a year for a frigate to kill a BC.

Let's take some lvl 3 missions as examples:

Easiest in my memory:

Duo of death

single pocket, two BCs and a tower sentry.

None of them could do applicable damage to a frigate. But how long it will take?

Toughest in my memory:

Blockade

single pocket still, but four waves of rats come sequentially. More than 10 elite cruiser, more than 20 BCs and some destroyers of course.

Can you survive this blockade with a T1 frigate? Possibly, to do that you need very good manual techniques to dodge every deadly volley coming from 360 degrees.

So what about training for a BC like Brutix or a fraction cruiser like Vigilant? It's up to you.