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Stop high sec ganking/pve only option

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2016-09-06 23:18:04 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
while i think OP is off his rocker i would like to point out even when ccp told us about that study they admitted the same size was far to small to draw any real conclusions from.

personally weather or not ganking is causing ppl to leave it doesn't bother me i would rather a game die with its identity then live on as a shell (not that i think ganking is going to cause the death of eve)


Uhh...what?

Where I work we have 5.2 million customers. We routinely use sample sizes of 50,000 and it is fine.

CCP has nowhere near 5.2 million customers, a sample of 80,000 is probably sufficient.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#82 - 2016-09-06 23:20:37 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:


So 1% left because non-consensual PvP that tells us nothing. To be able to put that into perspective we need to know how many of the 80,000 actually left a reason why they quit.
If all 80,000 left reasons why they quit and only 1% mentioned non-consensual PvP the numbers tell us that non-consensual PvP is not a problem with player retention.
On the other hand if only 800 players mentioned a reason why they quit and all 800 of them stated non-consensual PvP was one of the reasons they quit the numbers tell a radically different story.


Uhmmm...it has been awhile since I watched that presentation, but I was under the impression all 80,000 have left, so your entire argument here, if my memory is correct, is just wrong.

Damn, now I'll have to go watch it again.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2016-09-06 23:23:10 UTC
Oh Teckos ... how easily you allow yourself to be baited. You didn't think for a second OP was serious, did you?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2016-09-06 23:28:17 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Oh Teckos ... how easily you allow yourself to be baited. You didn't think for a second OP was serious, did you?


Actually, bad mouthing that study is not that uncommon. Maybe it is flawed and a replication would be good, but the usual assertion is 'It's junk and everyone knows it."

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2016-09-06 23:35:28 UTC
I'm among those who don't put much stake into said study myself, not because of the number of samples but rather what was sampled: do 15 day old players get ganked? No. Because they have nothing worth ganking, and most people shy away from rookies in rookie systems to not incur the wrath of the almight mjolnir.

But then again, I also couldn't give two hoots and a holler IF someone were to leave due to getting blown up. Because it's advertized on the box - it's just that kind of game and if you don't like it- fine. EvE is not for everyone and I'd rather not play with evergrumps.

I don't care about losing certain players, therefore said study is only of marginal interest to me. It may be true. It may not be true. The question only CCP can answer, and every man has a right to decide for himself, is: do we want to alter the game to cater to said crowd, or not? Regardless of what the study may indicate.

And this is where you and I meet again I believe, albeit following a different route.
Kenneth Fritz
DND Industries
#86 - 2016-09-07 10:00:43 UTC
I don't usually do this but, No, just No. I've lost billios of ISK to hisec ganks and random null interlopers. While frustrating and, at times, infuriating I realize that it is simply a very small part of a very big game. Also getting away wouldn't feel as awesome as it does on the rare ocasion you can if the threat weren't so very real.

Who's your end of the world buddy?
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#87 - 2016-09-07 18:48:25 UTC
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