EVE General Discussion

LOL! I do go into nullsec and I do get ganked each time.
This little game is not a place where you need to man up, it's a baby game, ROFL
Actually, I take that back, its unfair to the more mature players.
It's not a baby game, it's just another MMO, a pixel addition to life, nothing more.
Confusing courage with just playing a game is very juvenile.


The real world is the place where manning up needs to be done even though that phrase is laughable.
Until you've had your face split open by a baseball bat and continued swinging afterward, you have no place telling me to man up.
Been there, done way more, lol.

I'm a little miffed at this illogical jump.

I'm no good at Eve because my frigate can be destroyed by a gang of opponents? I don't see the correlation.

I told someone to back off when they called me weak, told me to man-up, told me to get my balls out of storage.
You have a problem with me defending myself?

Interesting.

Wasn't your battle but hope you enjoyed whatever that was

This is a forum about EVE, the game and one's ability to adapt to the environment.
And..... of course the rules attached to the forum.

Derogatory statements aimed at me that were NOT relevant to the topic DO NOT conform to this discussion or anything resembling EVE. I WILL defend myself when personally attacked by someone NOT referring to the relevant topic.

The topic I started was my interest in the term carebear.
The topic responses showed that there is NO consistency in the community on the topic.
When the trolls tried to add their vitriol, I had every right to respond in kind. They questioned my courage, I covered that issue just for them and no-one else.
Stick to topic.

Chopper Rollins is one of the special few here on the forums that seem to be able to post whatever they want without ever being warned or banned.... Why? Who knows....

Going to null requires a little knowledge which ironically you can't get unless you go out to null since a lot of the mechanics which allow players to live only exist there and in wormholes.

Best bet is to use a travel interceptor to go out with a probe launcher and a cloak and probe a wormhole back to empire then move your bigger ships out there through the wormhole.

Unfortunately CCP's best idea in the last 13 years in terms of interdiction and combat is to have you spawn within 15km of a gate or a few kilometres of a wormhole, both of which are roughly 1/4 or 1/10th the distance of interdiction modules like large bubbles, recons, HIC's and the like... Meaning you're pretty fekked if you don't know what you're doing or not using a cloak.

to me a carebear is someone who is as risk averse as possible

prime examples being

hi sec haulers/ missioners/ miners who cry about ganking but doing nothing to protect themselves at all- afk, max cargo/yield etc

solo pvpers who talk about how great they are and their leet efficiency but not mentioning their alt booster, ecm, logi always on standby to help them avoid a single loss. hi sec jita campers the same

gankers- granted it takes effort / planning but other than an 8m cat loss, they dont risk anything

nullbears- where one cloaky can force entire corps to hide in station

pvp groups- wont engage other fleets unless they have a fleet thats 20 times bigger than enemy



its a game have fun- **** killboards

Well to get back to the original topic:

"Care Bears" began as cartoon Greetings Card characters in the early 80's - and were later converted into an animated Children's television show. They have been re-released many times, and are still around today if you search - but back in the mid-80s/early 90s would have been the height of their popularity.

These characters were extemely anti-violence - and solved all of their problems with "love" and "kindness", etc. Each bear had their own characteristic - very un-subtly conveyed by their name.



Now, for some reason, MMO players have historically had assorted unhealthy obsessions with children's cartoon characters...(Don't even get me started on the Brony movement, among others...) - so naturally they *had* to find a way to bring their cherished childhood icons into their games with them. And given the anti-violence nature of the Care Bears, they became the ideal icon for those who opposed violence within the video game worlds, and tried to solve their problems without violence.

People being people - of course this over time transformed into a purely negative connotation for most people.



These days, most of the people using the term have no idea where it comes from, or what it means - it is just a generic insult they toss around...

I myself, even knowing the meaning/origin of the word, have used the term "carebear" for the past 8 years in EVE quite casually/loosely - referring to both myself and others as carebears when engaged in pretty much any non-violent activity...

However upon taking a more active role on the forums here...I suppose I've changed my stance on the word...And I find that I no longer use it nearly as much (hardly at all in fact)...



Honestly I'm not sure which is sadder...
The fact that so many people not only use the term as a derogatory, nearly racist insult but in fact take it *seriously* while doing so and actually try to define and defend specific stereotypical traits that the word embodies...
Or the fact that people are actually *more* offended by a purely in-game slur like "carebear" than they are offended by the numerous *actual RL Racial slurs* that get thrown around in the same game...

Either way - you guys take this stuff WAY too seriously... It is a made-up word based on a kids show from the 80s...being used inside a *fake* universe... Relax...



PS: The same goes for "F1 Monkey" "noob" "ganker" "griefer" and all other insults that are strictly in-game... It used to just be traditional "trash talk" - but you guys are seriously starting to make me uncomfortable with how seriously you all seem to take these imaginary made up words...

i still cant understand why people gets triggered by that word......

loosing your stuff is part of the game. any of the activities in this game mean loosing something in one way or another (time is the most basic, materials, isk,clones, ships, implants, sov, whatever).

if you fear of loosing in this game, you should be playing something else.

this isnt Tumblr.....and the community here i would dare to say is several orders of magnitude more mature and polite than say....i dont know.......League of Legends.......that one really can take your bolts out...but its because of the mix between rat kids and stressfull gameplay....

my best advice around that word would be to just keep playing, other people's opinion on your gamestyle doesnt matter.

The term Carebear requires context.

It's really not so easy to boil it down to two things.

It's more of an indicator of the person using the term than it is of the target of the term. That target is usually some amorphous concept of a mythical player that wants to be left alone to solo play the game in HiSec and whines when they are bugged, usually a whine to CCP to protect them.

That's the Carebear myth. I haven't really found one in the seven months I've been playing EVE and I've run across a lot of players in HiSec, talked to many. None had the markings or tag of "Carebear" on them.

So, it's usually a derogatory term used against a stereotype of a certain kind of player or play style.

I've been called one many times and I certainly don't fit the mythical definition so it's not me and I'm not bothered by the term. I call myself one sometimes for arguments sake when players toss generalities around.

What I find is interesting, is sometimes the biggest Carebears, or the ones closest to the mythical definition are the ones railing against them. A certain pseudo religion in HiSec comes to mind...

Basically. Just a word. Play how you like really and go with that. I like my empire time and I did pvp. Empire has its allure. Get a freaky idea...I go buy the parts, have at it. Skips the foreplay of sisi. Spaghetti sticks to the wall...I have an isk maker of some kind, If not...well hope resale goes well lol.


But I have an odd view. I see little difference between some pvp in the game and care bearing (use the term to myself...and don't care, is what is really and neither good or bad to me). My bias is based on prolonged sov campaigns when in 0.0. Pos based warfare I started with then dominion SOV for a really long stretch.

Alliance leader/FC say this is the ttarget(s) for the night. Not unlike mission agent saying here is WC in system X.

go to system and its FC call to warp to X. Not unlike warp to mission room, then warp to acc. gates..

Lets have pos defended. FC calls primary, secondary, tertiary....etc based on A-Z (had one do Z-A to spice it up). Every good mission runner after familiar with a missions has their patented way to run the mission a parallel. Damsel in distress done pvp style basically, Bash that structure, kill the defender spawns, bash that structure some more...new defenders spawn. See the cycle? lol

Then its out grind the targets down.

You win or lose. Some nights you are called primary and die. You did something wrong, rats got you as a relation.

Some would say the thrill of a player kill. As if player X in a bs called primary had any choice in the matter. 50 BS are firing at you...you will die. Woohoo I am in the top half of that km, man I am good. Never got into the CAOD circle jerk thing. Been a goon pet, been in crews who shot goons. SSDD really....Remove the half assed politics, its just shooting the same stuff really. Best you can hope for is fun FC's to fly with.

Skirmishers will say well duh 0.0. Which I can dig. Its just funny 0.0 talks crap about the skirmishers. So did I pvp or not? you'd have to ask the pvp community. then leave even more confused. I did.

Now I just spam pve doing what I want. May return to pvp. But probably be in wh to say I did that. And the allure of pve in wh's not a bad side motivation I won't even deny is a motivation lol.

Yeah mate i'm sure you're hard as nails like everyone else on the internet. My point still stands, it's not the game that gets you killed in nulsec, it's your ineptitude.

Man Up.. Sunshine.