Wormholes

Only thing I can think of is to warp to a tactical if your exit is out of D-Scan range. If someone works out where you're going when you've finished huffing there's a good chance you'll be warping into a bubble with tackle on the edge of it.

Drop something in the middle of the cloud (bring some t1 ammo or something) and orbit it. Easy cloaky protection.

I would also forgo an extender and put on a web. You've not encountered it yet but what will really kill you is interdictors. No amount of warp core stabs is going to save you from a bubble.

However doing the above two precautions means:

1. They will land well out of scram range of you
2. Even if they do get close and bubble up, you web and overheat your afterburner and get out of their range and second bubble

Getting killed in a venture indicates a distinct lack of paying attention.
Nano fit your venture, orbit cloud at 500m, watch dscan, warp off if anything lands. virtually impossible to lose it.

Venture has just 1 low slot and 1 nano isn't going to do much.
Hunters often gank pre-scanned sites, usually in bombers with light missiles and dual scram or combat Asteros.
You're as good as dead if you use Venture, especially when being outside cloud.
If you sit in large cloud they have to MWD into scram range, giving you time.

Regardless, while your tactic works it requires constant attention and theres little room for error. If you see Svipul warping in you have 3-5 seconds to GTFO, while my fit/tactics net you more than 10 seconds or more as he won't be able to alpha you and his scrams won't pin you down.

If you're not using a 10mn ab already I would give that a go as well

Nice to see that somebody started in the same way I did when I started playing,
Let me tell you, you will never get sad about WHs. These mystic places will have your attention in your whole EVE life.
Good to see that you figured out a good tactic and that you have a lot of fun and benift of it!

when was stealing gas from c4 wh i used recon cruiser trick. alt with curse (lasesis works too) one bomber tried to take down my prospect but sensor dampened bomber and sent drones along firing my missiles from curse first he attacked prospect anyway but when he hit structure he put his tail under legs and warped out . prospect was down to 6% shields.

Thanks for the info, I've been kitting out a Prospect similair to give it a try.
Can I ask though, how do you find the gas sites? And I'm assuming, since you don't have a probe launcher, that you don't mean exploring in the traditional EVE activity sense?

Thanks!

Yeah, i've seen this. Im certainly going to try this, it seems very good but my balls aren't big enough to try it. Yet. Also, i lack proper shield/navigation skills.


If you are starting from Kspace, you need:
Mobile depot
Probe Launcher (fit instead one of harvesters)
MWD (fit instead of 10mn AB, optional)
Scanning upgrades (fit instead of extenders, optional)

MWD is for moving between holes, it's much better at escaping dictors/bubbles with MWD+bubble trick.
Scanning upgrades can cut down the time required to scan down the sites.


So, if you are starting from HS you need to:
1. Find quiet HS system, definitely not anything within 10 jumps of Jita or 5 jumps of any other trade hub
2. Scan down holes. You will usually find C1/2/3, feel free to jump in. DON'T enter EOL holes or else you'll have to scan your way out. Frigate sized holes are very good.
3. If you want to mine low-yield gasses, scan down whole system and switch your fit.
4. If you want to mine high-yield gasses (320 & 540) move into C4/5/6 WHs.

Tips:

-Mining in hole that has direct HS connection that isn't frig-sized is unadvised, you will find tons of dictors and campers there.
-WHs with 2 HS connections tend to be very active, avoid them
-Check your Dscan often
-if going out with full cargo of gas, warp to celestial closest to hole and Dscan it for camps
-never leave out your Mobile depot, it can be scanned down and possibly trapped if you try to return to it.
-choose between mining low-yield gasses and high-yield gasses. C320 is twice as profitable as C50, but finding Vital or Instrumental site takes alot more time.
-bigger clouds are much safer, as you can move in them at maximal velocity while being far from the edge. Clouds decloak so you are much, much safer from stealthy gankers.


Recognizing threats from Dscan:
-Combat probes = trouble, if there are 4+ probes at <5AU get out of the cloud and cloak
-Core probes = possible danger, 4+ probes at <2 AU mean you should be very cautious
-T1 BS and HICs mean someone is probably rolling holes, which might be dangerous if you want to get out
-T3, dictors and recons mean trouble. Bombers can be ignorable with proper fit/tactics.
-Marauders, Dreads and anything used to run sites are usually bad. They can't threaten you but they run support ships and scouts who can.

List of sites:

Barren Perimeter: Good. always go for C50
Token Perimeter: Bad, low yield
Minor Perimeter: Average. C72 is great but it's slightly dangerous as it is small cloud
Ordinary Perimeter: Terrible.NEVER go there, you will die. Not worth it.
Sizeable Perimeter: Average, go for C50... however it's small cloud
Bountiful Frontier: Good. Go for C28. It's much safer and probably as much profitable as C32
Vast Frontier: Good. Same as Bountiful but reversed, so go for C32
Vital Core: Very good. Go for C540 if you want safety, C320 for 30% more ISK
Instrumental Core: The best. C320 all the way. Rats in this site have scrams, caution advised

yes this is easily my most favourite troll thing to do in WH space... get a bunch of prospects, and find an occupied WH with an instrumental, and trigger the battleships, then run the gas site.