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Toobo. IWI. Sorry about the Rat Race... (SEP 26 Update)
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
#1 - 2016-09-06 10:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Toobo
EDIT: Sep 26 Update.

Sorry guys. :( I made a big deal and all huff puff to say that I want to increase the Rat Race Jackpot to bring the excitement of big jackpots back, but then I just won it again accidentally. :p

I won't complain about the ISK, but seriously, I don't even know what's wrong with this Toobo. I really didn't mean to win it but I won it again. :p

Like I said, no need to apologise in game of chance, but I'll help bring up the jackpot again later.

Spin safe o7


Toobo


OK, before we get started, here's a something everyone will like - Toobo gets Tooboed

SEP 23 Update:

Since I don't hang out in IWI channel, I just wanted to say something quick for anyone who cares (is there anyone?)

So I won the Caldari Jackpot again, this time at 272b. Not bragging, but I've been eyeing it for the whole week and worked on it with plan and commitment, and I achieved my goal.

But you see me still playing & spinning mad on Rat Race now. You must think Toobo's sh!t and greedy mofo who doesn't know enough is enough.

That may be true, and I will take any hate in my direction as I take my luck as it comes to me.

No need to apologise for winning in a game of chance, but I just wanted to say I have a new found goal at IWI, so I'm eating my words from the previous posts and I will continue playing till I reach that goal. Maybe I win something big again along the way by luck, unlikely, but could happen.

Bear in mind though that the current Rat Race winner has won it twice in past 1 month period, so obviously someone's luckier than me. ;)

As I spin away relentlessly till I reach my target, Rat Race Jackpot will grow - if someone else wins it, then lucky him/her. But I'm hoping for a cracking Rat Race this time where we see some of the big Jackpot figures of the old. Since I started playing in May, the biggest Rat Race JP was 900b+, and the second biggest was 600b+. Whoever wins it, I will be very happy to see the Rat Race JP go over 600b at least this time, and I will be spinning mad and will be contributing to JP.

I'd be over the moon if the Rat Race goes over 1 Trillion ISK. I'd love to win it of course. Yes, I'd love it. But if someone else takes 1 trillion ISK JP home then oh wow, freaking amazing, lucky him/her.

But for now, I just want to see & feel the big excitement of huge jackpot again and be part of that crazy race to the Jackpot. Yes, I want that Rat Race craze and rush again.

I wish everyone all the best, good luck to you all.


Toobo





Dear fellow gamblers at IWI,

This is Toobo. If you have been playing at iwantisk.com in past few months, the chance is that you’ve seen me.

I have just completed what I personally consider as a Grand Slam of IWI.

I’ve won jackpots at least three times on each of the following slots at IWI.

Planetarium
Ice Miner
Caldari Militant
Pirate Invasion

And I won Rat Race today – once. ;)

I call it Grand Slam because they are ALL high-roller jackpots in IWI. I’ve had other wins in Nothing But Jackpots (many times) and Gallentean Rebel (just once).

But this post is not for bragging (yeah), but to clarify some of the issues & reserve some space for future posts.

I have never joined IWI chat channel, not even on any alt. Because I know people can get irrational when gambling. Heck, you HAVE TO BE irrational to gamble regularly. It’s a fool’s game. And Rat Race is so aptly named. People throwing so much ISK to win the Rat Race of ISK making.

In game, you’d be doing decent to be making 27million ISK per tick doing PVE. That’s how much a single 9 line spin of Rat Race costs. Yet people are doing multi tabs, spinning for hours and days on end. That is irrational.
I have nothing against my fellow players at IWI. After all, it’s all for fun. And there is no reason for hate or salt or accusations.

But I have been contacted by many people after each big wins. Some were swearing that I was rigged, some were confessing they bought loads of PLEX to buy raffle tickets then lost it all against me. After the NBJ win of 209b this week, I got more than normal amounts of eve mails people telling me how much they’ve blown on that slot. Most of the people I’ve communicated with were fun loving reasonable people, but some people seemed a bit extreme – isn’t it funny coming from a person who’s obsessed with the game, so much so that I have managed to reach level 89 after starting in mid-May 2016.

While I do not respond hates & begging, I’ve heard from people I know who are in IWI channel that some people think I’m a banker alt or ‘cheating’ in some ways.
This needs to be sorted. So I decided to write this up for the record.

1. Look up Toobo at evewho.com

Toobo was born on 2009/03/20, and joined my current corp in April 2009. That’s WAY before IWI even existed. I have been a one corp pilot for 7 years now. IWI started in like what, 2013?

There is no employment history of moving to an NPC Corp and back, i.e. Toobo has never been bought or sold. This is, for all intent and purpose, my main, and I’m not associated with IWI in any way whatsoever. I’m just a regular ‘customer’ like everyone else.

If I was anyone’s alt, why only start bring in a 7-year-old super clean history toon to IWI for exposure in May 2016?

And I've probably been in the game longer than some of the bankers, if you are going to accuse me of being an alt, at least be correct and accuse a banker for being a "Toobo's alt!"

2. I HAVE applied to be a banker, unsuccessfully. But now I’m glad I didn’t get accepted, because if I had a banker toon in IWI people probably go crazy with conspiracy theories and I can’t gamble as freely as I want. So I’m clean.

3. (Deleted part about ISK management and NAV stuff. Will be included in a 'guide' when ready)

(To be continued...)

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#2 - 2016-09-06 10:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Toobo
4. I do what I call ‘cap stable’ spinning (yeah that’s lol). I vary the number of tabs I’m running a lot. I fiddle with auto spin on and off, close some tabs, open more tabs, all depending on how the ISK is flowing. If you manage the number of tabs and auto-spins on & off, let’s say with 20b ISK, you could play for 12 hours and end up with only a slight win or slight loss. If you do not manage and just set prefixed number of tabs and let it auto-spin and keep your fingers crossed till your money runs out, then yeah, you’d be losing a lot of money. But you need to ‘control’ the flow. This is all about gut feeling and no science or skill involved. Sometimes when you feel that your ISK is dropping you can open more tabs in the hope that the additional tabs will generate extra wins to bring you back to stable ISK level again. Sometime’s it’s better to close a few tabs and keep only small number of tabs running. If you seen me spin extensively on some slots, you will find that sometimes I ‘dominate’ the winning charts, because I’m doing crazy number of tabs, but sometimes I’m only running a single tab – it’s all about keeping your ISK level steady until you hit the Jackpot. You don’t want to race to the burnout point until your ISK runs out. You want to ‘stay in the game’ as long as possible – until you hit the Jackpot.

5. I got lots of mails after that 209b NBJ win. People were all saying how much they lost. I’ll tell you exactly how I won that Jackpot.

A. I started spinning a single tab of NBJ when the JP was around 40b ISK. At the same time, I opened up 5 tabs of Rat Race to spin at the same time.

B. I was managing the ISK level to be ‘stable’ while running a single tab of NBJ. Basically, the wins from Rat Race were paying for each spin of NBJ and I wasn’t going down on ISK by much – it’s almost like free spins

C. When the stakes were getting higher, I opened up extra tab of NBJ per X billion ISK of Jackpot increase, and I opened corresponding amount of Rat Race tabs to ‘cover’ for the cost of NBJ

D. In the end when I won 209b NBJ, I had 7 tabs of NBJ running, and had about 20+ Rat Race tabs, and in terms of ISK level, I was down only by 2 or 3 billion from what I started with (so minus 2-3 bil plus 209b Jackpot win, so basically I 'spent' only 3 bil max of my own ISK to win 209b Jackpot)

E. If you open 10 tabs of NBJ and run them all by themselves until your ISK gets dry, you are asking for trouble. I learned it the hard way in my earlier career at IWI. My biggest loss on NBJ was 40 billion ISK in really short time, and someone else took 130b Jackpot, and yes I was gutted. :p


6. Talking about losses, my biggest loss was on a raffle bundle, when I bought about 50b worth of tickets and still managed to lose. The regulars at IWI will know this. Toobo doesn’t always’ win and there are heavy losses. Sometimes I deposit 50 billion ISK and lose them all in an hour. Sometimes I deposit 10 billion ISK and cash out 200 billion Jackpot at the end of the night. You win some and you lose some, it’s all about luck.

At the end of the day though, I’ve done alright. I have been friendly with the people who contacted me in good manners. I wrote them back with lengthy emails with lots of tips & help, and sometimes I fly around the galaxy (in a Yacht of course) and deposit random cash into random local’s wallet.

Due to the amount of eve mails I receive, I cannot answer all of them, I apologise for that.

But I wanted to give something back to the community (of us low life gambling addicts lol), so I’m working on a guide, including kind of things I have mentioned above and some other tips. When the guide is ready, I will publish it in this thread and anyone can have a look at how I did things, including lots of screenshots (juicier than capital kill mails).

I feel I have achieved all I wanted at IWI after the Grand Slam. I will still play, but no more hard-core playing for me. I will not care about leaderboards, and I will not care about win or loss. I’ll just chip in with cheeky single/triple tickets on raffles, lose most of them, but will win one or two big ones to smile about. I’ll surely be back when some Jackpot gets big enough, but I won’t be playing day and night as you guys have seen me do over the past few months.

I wish everyone good luck, and yes, it is only by luck that you win or lose.

As a final word, I hope people will understand that playing at IWI is not PvP. You may feel like it when you lose against someone on raffles or when someone ‘steals’ the Jackpot. The frustration is understandable. But fundamentally, we are all playing against the RNG, not against other players.

Always keep that in mind, and yes, the R in RNG is Random.


Best Wishes,



Toobo


PS: For the full story of my gambling addiction, check this Forum Post


Oh and one final thing. My friend at IWI channel told me that some banker was explaining to people that Toobo also spends & loses a lot of money, and specifically mentioned that I have deposited 80 billion ISK over past 12 hours. Yes, that is absolutely true. I love you guys at IWI and appreciate the hard work, but I do not appreciate that a banker disclose transaction details of a customer in a chat channel. From what I hear it was done to explain that I'm just a regular player and not a banker alt or in anyway rigged with the site, but please, transaction records should remain private, right? ;) No b*tching from me, just saying let's not do this again :)

In any case, I'm giving you guys a screenshot of my latest transaction record at IWI site. Yes, I deposited 80b ISK in past 12 hours, but look at the withdrawals too.

Wallet Records

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#3 - 2016-09-06 10:37:11 UTC
Reserved for the "Guide" to come

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#4 - 2016-09-06 10:37:57 UTC
Reserved for... erm.. whatever.. just in case. :p

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#5 - 2016-09-06 10:41:53 UTC
Can't hurt to reserve one more....

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#6 - 2016-09-06 10:43:22 UTC
Just one more... (lol you know the game)

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Solecist Project
#7 - 2016-09-06 11:17:50 UTC
*hugs* you're adorable! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-09-06 13:11:16 UTC
Toobo wrote:
4. I do what I call ‘cap stable’ spinning (yeah that’s lol). I vary the number of tabs I’m running a lot. I fiddle with auto spin on and off, close some tabs, open more tabs, all depending on how the ISK is flowing. If you manage the number of tabs and auto-spins on & off, let’s say with 20b ISK, you could play for 12 hours and end up with only a slight win or slight loss. If you do not manage and just set prefixed number of tabs and let it auto-spin and keep your fingers crossed till your money runs out, then yeah, you’d be losing a lot of money. But you need to ‘control’ the flow. This is all about gut feeling and no science or skill involved. Sometimes when you feel that your ISK is dropping you can open more tabs in the hope that the additional tabs will generate extra wins to bring you back to stable ISK level again. Sometime’s it’s better to close a few tabs and keep only small number of tabs running. If you seen me spin extensively on some slots, you will find that sometimes I ‘dominate’ the winning charts, because I’m doing crazy number of tabs, but sometimes I’m only running a single tab – it’s all about keeping your ISK level steady until you hit the Jackpot. You don’t want to race to the burnout point until your ISK runs out. You want to ‘stay in the game’ as long as possible – until you hit the Jackpot.

5. I got lots of mails after that 209b NBJ win. People were all saying how much they lost. I’ll tell you exactly how I won that Jackpot.

A. I started spinning a single tab of NBJ when the JP was around 40b ISK. At the same time, I opened up 5 tabs of Rat Race to spin at the same time.

B. I was managing the ISK level to be ‘stable’ while running a single tab of NBJ. Basically, the wins from Rat Race were paying for each spin of NBJ and I wasn’t going down on ISK by much – it’s almost like free spins

C. When the stakes were getting higher, I opened up extra tab of NBJ per X billion ISK of Jackpot increase, and I opened corresponding amount of Rat Race tabs to ‘cover’ for the cost of NBJ

D. In the end when I won 209b NBJ, I had 7 tabs of NBJ running, and had about 20+ Rat Race tabs, and in terms of ISK level, I was down only by 2 or 3 billion from what I started with (so minus 2-3 bil plus 209b Jackpot win, so basically I 'spent' only 3 bil max of my own ISK to win 209b Jackpot)

E. If you open 10 tabs of NBJ and run them all by themselves until your ISK gets dry, you are asking for trouble. I learned it the hard way in my earlier career at IWI. My biggest loss on NBJ was 40 billion ISK in really short time, and someone else took 130b Jackpot, and yes I was gutted. :p


6. Talking about losses, my biggest loss was on a raffle bundle, when I bought about 50b worth of tickets and still managed to lose. The regulars at IWI will know this. Toobo doesn’t always’ win and there are heavy losses. Sometimes I deposit 50 billion ISK and lose them all in an hour. Sometimes I deposit 10 billion ISK and cash out 200 billion Jackpot at the end of the night. You win some and you lose some, it’s all about luck.

At the end of the day though, I’ve done alright. I have been friendly with the people who contacted me in good manners. I wrote them back with lengthy emails with lots of tips & help, and sometimes I fly around the galaxy (in a Yacht of course) and deposit random cash into random local’s wallet.

Due to the amount of eve mails I receive, I cannot answer all of them, I apologise for that.

But I wanted to give something back to the community (of us low life gambling addicts lol), so I’m working on a guide, including kind of things I have mentioned above and some other tips. When the guide is ready, I will publish it in this thread and anyone can have a look at how I did things, including lots of screenshots (juicier than capital kill mails).

I feel I have achieved all I wanted at IWI after the Grand Slam. I will still play, but no more hard-core playing for me. I will not care about leaderboards, and I will not care about win or loss. I’ll just chip in with cheeky single/triple tickets on raffles, lose most of them, but will win one or two big ones to smile about. I’ll surely be back when some Jackpot gets big enough, but I won’t be playing day and night as you guys have seen me do over the past few months.

I wish everyone good luck, and yes, it is only by luck that you win or lose.

As a final word, I hope people will understand that playing at IWI is not PvP. You may feel like it when you lose against someone on raffles or when someone ‘steals’ the Jackpot. The frustration is understandable. But fundamentally, we are all playing against the RNG, not against other players.

Always keep that in mind, and yes, the R in RNG is Random.


Best Wishes,



Toobo


PS: For the full story of my gambling addiction, check this Forum Post


Oh and one final thing. My friend at IWI channel told me that some banker was explaining to people that Toobo also spends & loses a lot of money, and specifically mentioned that I have deposited 80 billion ISK over past 12 hours. Yes, that is absolutely true. I love you guys at IWI and appreciate the hard work, but I do not appreciate that a banker disclose transaction details of a customer in a chat channel. From what I hear it was done to explain that I'm just a regular player and not a banker alt or in anyway rigged with the site, but please, transaction records should remain private, right? ;) No b*tching from me, just saying let's not do this again :)

In any case, I'm giving you guys a screenshot of my latest transaction record at IWI site. Yes, I deposited 80b ISK in past 12 hours, but look at the withdrawals too.

Wallet Records

Methinks dost thouest protests too much.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#9 - 2016-09-06 14:55:30 UTC
/Solunius

Aye, that whole explanation bit will be removed and integrated into a so called 'guide' when that's done. I put it here for now as an explanation how things can be done without 'cheating'. :p

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Mu Err
Space Colony
Synergy of Steel
#10 - 2016-09-06 16:36:59 UTC
Thx for your Words - now i believe you are Human and not an alien.

Big smile


fly save
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#11 - 2016-09-07 04:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I've never played an IWI site, but back when they were babies among other post-Somer gambling site babies, I asked them if they would care to be a sponsor and donate a little prize for a public EVE community event. 100mil, 500mil, any amount will do. Man, that cheaparse guy worked me hard, like a Newport-smoking lady who showed up a half-hour early to pick over a garage sale. It was like being a Girl Scout trying to sell bottled water on a Wall Street trading floor for $1, and some prick is doing the hard examination of the wares thing, and offering you twenny-fi cent instead.

In the end I had to fire the client and leave his last haggling/trying to degrade your product/get an upper hand EVEmail unanswered. It went on too long, and it was so cheaparse and weiner that I couldn't stand it anymore. I'd rather just spend my game time suicide welping some ships. Or spend some time with isk-doublers or regular honest scumbag online lulzers.
Morankai Arthie
Kai's Place
#12 - 2016-09-07 20:20:54 UTC
Hey idon't begrudge you your winnings, even if you do clean me out regularly. But uh anyway i can get a corpse of you lol. Just for reasons.
bewzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2016-09-07 20:48:25 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
I've never played an IWI site, but back when they were babies among other post-Somer gambling site babies, I asked them if they would care to be a sponsor and donate a little prize for a public EVE community event. 100mil, 500mil, any amount will do. Man, that cheaparse guy worked me hard, like a Newport-smoking lady who showed up a half-hour early to pick over a garage sale. It was like being a Girl Scout trying to sell bottled water on a Wall Street trading floor for $1, and some prick is doing the hard examination of the wares thing, and offering you twenny-fi cent instead.

In the end I had to fire the client and leave his last haggling/trying to degrade your product/get an upper hand EVEmail unanswered. It went on too long, and it was so cheaparse and weiner that I couldn't stand it anymore. I'd rather just spend my game time suicide welping some ships. Or spend some time with isk-doublers or regular honest scumbag online lulzers.



To be fair, Eep Eep donates a TON of ISK to charities, events, giveaways and games now. Hell, he was sponsoring streamers to the tune of about 1 Trillion ISK per month total. The list of good causes we've been involved in the past two years is vast. Eep doesn't even play EVE outside of IWI, so he tends to just throw money at everything when asked.



Back on topic, Toobo, congrats on your win(s) bud. We've never spoken before outside of your last post here, but I'm glad you were able to walk away positive and not become like a lot of our high rollers in the past who come in with say, 50b.. get crazy lucky and end up with 700b only to lose it all a couple months later. You have to find that balance and it seems you have. Props!

As for the banker telling the chat you had deposited 80b to win, just know I IMMEDIATELY scolded him because that's a huge no-no for us. We have to respect our players privacy and he didn't use his brain when trying to diffuse a couple of very angry players after you won Rat Race for that 483 Billion. People lose sight of how much money a player like you spends to play at the level you do; they only see the wins, not the losses.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#14 - 2016-09-08 00:26:35 UTC
Bewzee,

You are the one who always gives me big pay outs! :D

Thank you for your kind words. I still play a bit, but a LOT less than I used to (well its only been a few days to claim I cut down on my addiction lol). With the ISK I won, I actually got back to eve properly for the first time in a long while. I achieved my goal at IWI of the Grand Slam, and now I put that ISK back into the game and want to reach certain target through in game operations.

Also, thank you for your explanation about the disclosing of info matter. I appreciate you guys see this properly - no bad feelings or grudge from me on this anymore after your comments.


Thank you everyone at IWI and keep up the good work :)

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#15 - 2016-09-08 00:27:33 UTC
Morankai Arthie wrote:
Hey idon't begrudge you your winnings, even if you do clean me out regularly. But uh anyway i can get a corpse of you lol. Just for reasons.



No you cannot have my corpse! I fear you will do voodoo on my corpse and suck out all my luck!

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-09-10 08:32:05 UTC
Nice read. Indeed, the key are the big numbers in short time, you never can reach in a physical casino. You cash out on artificial anomalies (JP).

What's your ISK/h finally? Sounds a lot like a full time job ...P

I'm my own NPC alt.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#17 - 2016-09-10 11:30:52 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Nice read. Indeed, the key are the big numbers in short time, you never can reach in a physical casino. You cash out on artificial anomalies (JP).

What's your ISK/h finally? Sounds a lot like a full time job ...P


ISK/h is pretty hard to say with gambling, as you could go from 5b deposit to 100b in less than an hour with good luck, but you can also lose 20b raffle bet in a blink of an eye lol.

I've played a lot, and from my quick calculations using amount of ISK I have left now and amount of hours I spent a day playing at IWI site (including both actively managing slots + checking the site LOADS of times per day wherever I am to get tickets on some raffles & have a few spins by using my phone - I won about 4 Jackpots from my phone ) - I started in mid-May and played at least a few hours a day actively (except weekends) till I wrote this post...

probably about 2-3billion ISK/hour.

But mind you, as I said earlier, ISK/hour is pretty meaningless. I mean the biggest 'efficiency' I had was my second Caldari Jackpot at about 130 billion ISK, which I was lucky to hit on my smartphone while laying on my bed at night and I was spinning for about 15 minutes, using only a single tab.

Also it's worth bearing in mind that I've blown lots of my big wins, and managed to build up 'wealth' in game only by putting ISK into assets/valuables. One of the painful experiences was winning 240 billion on Pirate Invasion and blowing that all on gambling in a span of 2 days on mad gambling spree. I re-deposited my ISK wins and ended up spending them all.

The big cash out in September was possible because I won Caldari Jackpot (360b) + Nothing But Jackpot (209b) + Wyvern BPO Bundle Double (240b) + Rat Race (465b) during a crazy week of lucky winning streak.

Wining Caldari Jackpot at over 1:400,000 odds and Rat Race at 1:900,000 odds within 7 days or so was just crazy good luck.

Overall I've had incredible luck. I won Ice Miner Jackpot 8 times, and the Jackpot Odd is something like 1:30,000, but my total spin count for the Ice Miner Jackpot is just a little over 60,000 spins. So I've won the Jackpot 4 times more than I 'should have' according to the odds.

I also have crazy good luck on Rat Race. I keep track of all the 20 billion wins (hitting 4 Jackpots) and while I would not give out my spin count for the Rat Race, let's just say that if I 'should have' won it X times according to the odds, I've won it "X + 20" times.

Gambler's fallacy works in reverse too. For roulette, hitting black many times in a row does not mean you are more likely to get red on the next spin. So there is no logical point in betting against what has come up before because you think that the odd is very low for one number/colour/whatever coming up many times in a row is very low. That's wrong. Every spin is independent and for every spin the winning odd is the same. This can mean that you can win multiple multiple times in a row in what looks like an unbelievable lucky winning streak.

My approach has always been about giving up on any pretentious notion of me being some mathematical wizard that 'beat the house' with brain. I believe in luck, and when I get lucky I really ride on that streak.

But you have to know to stop. Sometimes I do a few spins or raffles and I just get this bad feeling this isn't my day. Most of time I try to stop playing on those days, and if I do continue to play on such 'negative vibe' days, 99% of time I end up losing big amounts.

And I will admit this - although many people write to me and say I cleared them out, there are some people I see as Toobo's 'nemesis' at IWI. When I go head to head with these specific individuals in a raffle, I tend to lose, even if I buy more tickets than them. It just happens. There are some people I see on raffles and I see their face on the raffle tickets and I just get a bad vibe and the feeling that I would lose.

Some raffles I open up and I see the ticket distribution and I just get this feeling there's no winning ticket left. I know, there's no logic or reason, it's weird, but it turns out to be right in many cases.

It's just like eve in some ways, when you find yourself saying "hm... I have bad feeling about this" then it's probably good idea to 'dock up' or stay out of it for a while. When you try to 'force' it things tend to go wrong lol.



Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#18 - 2016-09-23 06:55:08 UTC
Updated the main post.

Doing my 'cap stable spinning' thing now. :)

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Raven Mystique
TeArFaCtOrY AmArR
#19 - 2016-09-23 12:36:57 UTC
100% no out of Corp RMT for iwi :-)
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#20 - 2016-09-23 12:46:32 UTC
Raven Mystique wrote:
100% no out of Corp RMT for iwi :-)


Don't know what it's supposed to mean What?

All I know is that "I" have never done RMT and am crystal clean on this front. : )

If anybody does RMT, I don't care who it is from which organisation or whatever, but I will be happy to see them perma-banned.

If anybody doubts I RMT (not hat anyone directly accused it...) feel free to petition me to CCP. I can fully cooperate 100% with CCP from my side to verify/investigate or whatever.

Anyways, good luck Raven. o7

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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