EVE General Discussion

No, you won't be sploded every time you wander into lowsec. Some systems (Tama) are seriously good places to get killed.
A lot of lowsec places are just dead: count the number of jumps in the last hour on one hand, probe scanner full of anomalies and signatures, nobody else in local for several jumps.

Once I chased an escalation a few jumps into low. A confessor showed on dscan, and launched core scanners. I asked him if it was a wormhole (or: I mash dscan, you're not going to surprise me). It soon left, returned, and left a couple of times. I finished the site, got out of there, and looked at his killboard. His buddy liked battleships and could drop a carrier on me if he wanted.
I was PvE-fit, so taking the fight wouldn't have been a good idea even if he was alone.

A lot of it is also the PvPers fears of the reality they themselves are carebears as well. Often times the hardcore "I never PvE player" has numerous PvE toons to supply them with isk. But if the illusion that they never PvE is given then the PvP player is never in a 'weak' position to be farmed, hunted, etc in return so dont bother trying to find my alts, etc because I dont have any. When in fact they have many and are just as weak and unguarded, if not more, smug in the assurance that you wont make the connections with their other industrial toons to hurt them in the pocket book.


But the psych implications are fascinating to say the least yes.

Dracs got a very good idea of what carebearism really is. Its like the Eve idea of racism and segregation all rolled into one really.

Lol , no. All the battles I spoke of were in RL. I'm a fiercely independant Asperger dude and can hold my own regardless of consequence. A violent childhood cures fear
Good question though.

most hide behind a pc and would not dare say something to you face , do as you wish you pay for it for that pleasure

You are not a carebear, at least as I use the term. Neither are players that fall into your two categories. Many players never or rarely leave highsec but engage in all manner of PvP, while most players try to avoid PvP at some point, usually when they are at a great disadvantage as any rational Eve player would do.

A carebear is someone who rejects the premise that they can be interacted with against their will. They don't accept that it is part of the game for another player to attack them against their will and don't think they should have to adjust their game play to account for this possibility. They whine, agitate and propose ideas that would make them 100% safe in a game that has been specifically engineered so that you feel, and actually are, unsafe at all times.

A miner who tanks their ship, pays attention, or even ventures into dangerous space to ninja resources is not a carebear despite the fact they try to avoid every fight. A missioner who exclusively flies PvE fits to engage in PvE with the full understanding they are a potential target is not a carebear. These players accept the fact they are content and while they'll might not like getting exploded, understand that is part of the game. They are important and valuable Eve players.

A carebear rejects this and feels entitled to complete safety in whatever they do. They use terms like 'blobber', 'ganker', 'unfair' or 'exploit' when they lose a ship (despite that being really the whole point of the game). They moan that they are special and should be allowed to grind or build safe from those nasty "griefers" who just want to ruin their fun. They have no problem interacting with and influencing our shared universe when it is on their terms and they have something to gain, but don't accept that that same shared universe occasionally will come a-calling and interact with them without their permission.

In short, carebears are selfish players whose demands, if met, would smother Eve in a blanket of safety and prevent the player-player interaction the game is built on. If they got their way Eve would die a quick death and thus their self-entitled whining should be firmly met with a rational explanation of how Eve Online works out of game, or with blasters/missiles in-game. They need to be reminded to 'HTFU' and play Eve as the competitive, single-shard PvP game it was built as, not some single-player FarmVille-in-space clone.

Now all that said, many players just throw the term around as a derogatory slur. Eve players love to call each other all manner of insults so I wouldn't try to infer too much about the definition of word used in such a manner.

The term carebear is not unique to Eve. It seems to date back to Ultima Online which had separate areas on the servers for PvE and PvP.

In Eve you are competing with other players whatever you do - the value of the ore you mine and the loot you collect in missions depends on the action of other players competing in the same market. That is the essential nature of a sandbox. We don't have segregated areas for PvP and PvE. Even in high security space you are subject to wars and gankers.

One of the balance points in the game is risk vs reward. Safe activities don't pay very well, mostly because they attract a lot of players which leads to an oversupply on the market and drives the price down.

Some people like to make stuff, some like to blow it up. An economy where most items are made by players and nothing wears out or goes obsolete needs both.

The truth is everyone has a bit of carebear in them. Take a look at your F10 key, set it to show pirate ships killed in last 24 hours and look out at nullsec. You'll see a bunch of gleaming stars, go to one of those systems and you'll usually find from 5 to sometimes 50 bubbles on the gate, once you get past those you'll find a whole bunch of people, actually you won't, you'll see a whole bunch of people in local but they're all docked up hiding, you'll find a cynosaural inhibitor as well.

If you hang around for a while you'll see that nobody will come out to fight you unless they first gather a small sized navy flottilla for your one ship and then they'll all kill you with as much prejudice as possible, jams, scrams, nuets, webs, anything and everything they could possible throw at you.

They're as much carebear as anyone else, this applies to 99% of the EvE population imo, I rarely ever find someone confident enough to undock alone or even in duo.

King of Carebears reporting in!

/c

I like this.

You are seeing the lowbrow eventuality our culture has come to where there are vapid, but vitriolic people who just can't live and let live. They see someone different, bellow that the world is supposed to operate according to their own preferences, and for the different to become like them or they'll be verbally abusive, and attempt to use force (if possible) to "make" people do things the way they do.

Here, we're infested with people who (believed an ill-considered statement by a CCP official) insist EVE is only PvP, and therefore anyone not playing EVE as they do should be forced to. Until that happens, they heap derision on those people who are different. The term "carebear" came into being as a derogatory appellation. (Funny they don't have a corresponding word for themselves. Allow me: Sociopaths.)

This even though a visit to this time-honored and well known website - EVE - Survival: Mission Reports amply demonstrates that not only is there a wealth of PvE content in EVE, the PvE content actually threatens to swamp these self-proclaimed "real EVE players" of PvP.

However, along with the vitriolic name-calling (guaranteed to get threads locked here) comes a "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made-up" attitude that beggars belief...that is unless you're aware of this sort of people (who also decorate our daily lives with their form of "manners".)

I wouldn't trouble myself with them. They are no more than would be a fart in an elevator. Something to be endured until the car reaches your floor. Though, I'm sure they themselves relish the scent and will have no compunction about proving so in this thread you started...which is really about them.