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Solecist Project
#61 - 2016-09-05 17:54:16 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think EVE can embrace the pirate scum like always.
But I suspect that ship skins and pirate clothing will not be enough. I think CCP will dig deeper. I have seen that in AOC. After some time PvP clothing was available for money, no grind needed, no lvl needed....

Golden ammo and golden ships.

No one was talking about pirates.

You miss the point entirely...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#62 - 2016-09-05 18:25:04 UTC
I was targeting the future of CCP developments.
But what I say and do may be of little importance, as I see most people already accepted that we will get it eventually and they do not rebel.

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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2016-09-05 18:36:03 UTC
I judge a game and a company for the content they keep adding to the game.

Taking as an example WoW, I'm giving a look at the new legion expansion and I can say:

- I paid for it? Yes, I paid.

- I still need a subscription? Yes, I need it ( or "plex it" as I am doing for the next 5 free months...)

What are they giving me?

Tons of new things to do, tons of content, tons of new zones, new dungeons and so on. All with one account, because I can have several chars in the same account and if I play them they level up, all of them, not only one at a time as here.

Now you will say:

- WoW is something totally different, it's a ****** game, a family game, a themepark and so on.

Partially I agree, I love Eve for it's sandbox nature, but they are giving us nothing, or almost nothing.

Do you really think this is something decent....?

- New mining ship skins and some slots removed/some stats modified
- Some links mechanics changed and some new animations?
- Something else? I dunno what, some more little things?

I'm quite new to the game so I'm lucky enough to play all the old content that's a new content for me, so for the next year I already paid my subscription for I can be ok and enjoy the game, but If I was a veteran I would be really enraged, I would be rioting for sure seing undecent new skins added all time for sale, and developers effords focused only on trying to attract new players while giving absolutely NOTHING to the already existing players, always protected by the stupid excuse that "it's a sandbox, users make content"

It's not about being a sandbox with using making the content, it's having a player base totally abandoned and having developers slacking and doing nothing at all for the veterans.
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#64 - 2016-09-05 18:55:06 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I'm quite new to the game so I'm lucky enough to play all the old content that's a new content for me, so for the next year I already paid my subscription for I can be ok and enjoy the game, but If I was a veteran I would be really enraged, I would be rioting for sure seing undecent new skins added all time for sale, and developers effords focused only on trying to attract new players while giving absolutely NOTHING to the already existing players, always protected by the stupid excuse that "it's a sandbox, users make content"

It's not about being a sandbox with using making the content, it's having a player base totally abandoned and having developers slacking and doing nothing at all for the veterans.


I've been playing for over a decade and I can say that the past few years of EvE have been more eventful, more content filled then when I started. They've added, changed more things then I can even keep up with. People now are just spoiled brats.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#65 - 2016-09-05 20:09:16 UTC
CCP games can ill afford another Incarna.

If they F it up with the F2P model by not having an awesome new player experience, this game will fizzle out at the end of the year Pirate

source: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/a-letter-to-the-followers-of-eve/

Regards, a Freelancer

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#66 - 2016-09-05 21:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: TackyTachy1
Serene Repose, awesome summation.

I would add, but not in argument, that the current predatory commercialization of the internet forces many entities to play by the new rules; think hangar billboards.

The global environment changes every day and not necessarily for the better, depending upon perspective. In the gaming universe there are the casual payers who demand instant gratification, and there are the immersive players who tend to play long term in games that reward planning, innovation and risk factors. Can one company capture both modes? CCP is apparently making the attempt.

Of course, all that's needed is for one idiot with a RL button to push and the gaming universe collapses, along with most of civilization and then life gets real interesting.

Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
Solecist Project
#67 - 2016-09-05 21:43:35 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I judge a game and a company for the content they keep adding to the game.

Taking as an example WoW, I'm giving a look at the new legion expansion and I can say:

- I paid for it? Yes, I paid.

- I still need a subscription? Yes, I need it ( or "plex it" as I am doing for the next 5 free months...)

What are they giving me?

Tons of new things to do, tons of content, tons of new zones, new dungeons and so on. All with one account, because I can have several chars in the same account and if I play them they level up, all of them, not only one at a time as here.

Now you will say:

- WoW is something totally different, it's a ****** game, a family game, a themepark and so on.

Partially I agree, I love Eve for it's sandbox nature, but they are giving us nothing, or almost nothing.

Do you really think this is something decent....?

- New mining ship skins and some slots removed/some stats modified
- Some links mechanics changed and some new animations?
- Something else? I dunno what, some more little things?

I'm quite new to the game so I'm lucky enough to play all the old content that's a new content for me, so for the next year I already paid my subscription for I can be ok and enjoy the game, but If I was a veteran I would be really enraged, I would be rioting for sure seing undecent new skins added all time for sale, and developers effords focused only on trying to attract new players while giving absolutely NOTHING to the already existing players, always protected by the stupid excuse that "it's a sandbox, users make content"

It's not about being a sandbox with using making the content, it's having a player base totally abandoned and having developers slacking and doing nothing at all for the veterans.

You're not a new player.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#68 - 2016-09-06 02:02:24 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I judge a game and a company for the content they keep adding to the game.

Taking as an example WoW, I'm giving a look at the new legion expansion and I can say:

- I paid for it? Yes, I paid.

- I still need a subscription? Yes, I need it ( or "plex it" as I am doing for the next 5 free months...)

What are they giving me?

Tons of new things to do, tons of content, tons of new zones, new dungeons and so on. All with one account, because I can have several chars in the same account and if I play them they level up, all of them, not only one at a time as here.

Now you will say:

- WoW is something totally different, it's a ****** game, a family game, a themepark and so on.

Partially I agree, I love Eve for it's sandbox nature, but they are giving us nothing, or almost nothing.

Do you really think this is something decent....?

- New mining ship skins and some slots removed/some stats modified
- Some links mechanics changed and some new animations?
- Something else? I dunno what, some more little things?

I'm quite new to the game so I'm lucky enough to play all the old content that's a new content for me, so for the next year I already paid my subscription for I can be ok and enjoy the game, but If I was a veteran I would be really enraged, I would be rioting for sure seing undecent new skins added all time for sale, and developers effords focused only on trying to attract new players while giving absolutely NOTHING to the already existing players, always protected by the stupid excuse that "it's a sandbox, users make content"

It's not about being a sandbox with using making the content, it's having a player base totally abandoned and having developers slacking and doing nothing at all for the veterans.


The problem with your Wow example is simple, the content Blizzard gives you is the only content you can do in that game. CCP doesnt work that way, they dont believe its up to them to tell us how to play, they simply give players a bunch of tools and a big wide open space to use them in and then sit back and see what happens. I mean how many times have they been caught out because players did something in a way they hadnt anticipated or in some cases didnt even think was possible, that is simply not something you get very often in games like WoW.

People may not like changes or having to adapt how they play to cope with a new situation but at the end of the day CCP gives us far more choice and scope in how we can choose to play this game than any other MMO developer I've ever seen. The central point of your argument appears to be that CCP isnt giving us enough new stuff to do but I would argue it isnt their job to do that, its their job to give us as players the tools and opportunities to make our own content and in that regard I think they're doing a pretty good job.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2016-09-06 02:20:25 UTC
Also @ Lucy

Legion you have to pay for and you still need to pay a sub

How much money have you spent on expansions or content updates since you started eve?

Art of Explosions
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#70 - 2016-09-06 02:32:38 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
I judge a game and a company for the content they keep adding to the game.

Taking as an example WoW, I'm giving a look at the new legion expansion and I can say:

- I paid for it? Yes, I paid.

- I still need a subscription? Yes, I need it ( or "plex it" as I am doing for the next 5 free months...)

What are they giving me?

Tons of new things to do, tons of content, tons of new zones, new dungeons and so on. All with one account, because I can have several chars in the same account and if I play them they level up, all of them, not only one at a time as here.

Now you will say:

- WoW is something totally different, it's a ****** game, a family game, a themepark and so on.

Partially I agree, I love Eve for it's sandbox nature, but they are giving us nothing, or almost nothing.

Do you really think this is something decent....?

- New mining ship skins and some slots removed/some stats modified
- Some links mechanics changed and some new animations?
- Something else? I dunno what, some more little things?

I'm quite new to the game so I'm lucky enough to play all the old content that's a new content for me, so for the next year I already paid my subscription for I can be ok and enjoy the game, but If I was a veteran I would be really enraged, I would be rioting for sure seing undecent new skins added all time for sale, and developers effords focused only on trying to attract new players while giving absolutely NOTHING to the already existing players, always protected by the stupid excuse that "it's a sandbox, users make content"

It's not about being a sandbox with using making the content, it's having a player base totally abandoned and having developers slacking and doing nothing at all for the veterans.

Yeah, considering half your post, you ARE quite new.
Probably want to know what you're talking about before you talk about it.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2016-09-06 03:07:07 UTC
And your answers are the proof developers can confortably keep giving you almost nothing because there are some players that are always defending them instead of asking them to do more.

So they can add skins to sell, make that alpha clones, advertize plexes for you to buy and give you some mindless grinding "events" ( totally the contrary of sandbox you always empty talk about ) you will spend thousand of repetitive hours.

I would say wake up and begin to be demanding customers if you want to really save this game his brutal decline...
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2016-09-06 03:59:11 UTC
Do you read patch notes? Do you even play this game? It's almost unrecognizable from when I first started playing.

There's plenty of content out there made possible with updates, it's not CCPs fault you can't or won't go out and find it

Art of Explosions
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2016-09-06 05:08:41 UTC
As I already said, I'm quite new to this game so even the 10 years old content is a new content for me.

I'm playing for 10 months, I saw almost nothing new actually during that period of time...
Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
#74 - 2016-09-06 06:48:58 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
As I already said, I'm quite new to this game so even the 10 years old content is a new content for me.

I'm playing for 10 months, I saw almost nothing new actually during that period of time...


Maybe I didn't see it posted elsewhere, but what do you want exactly? The past 10 months may not be content packed but there is a handy page detailing all we've been given the past couple.
Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
#75 - 2016-09-06 07:05:28 UTC
The point of this topic is, does the development follows the interests of player or the interests of a money making policy. I am actually 10 years part of the EVE universe and since nearly 5 years I got the feeling that the development follows exclusively interests of the investors. I can in this time in some parts accept, that no company is able to defend against the financial sector, but since skill traiding and now free2play - the last coffin nail isnt far away.

Maybee you have an other feeling...Shocked
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2016-09-06 08:08:40 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
As I already said, I'm quite new to this game so even the 10 years old content is a new content for me.

I'm playing for 10 months, I saw almost nothing new actually during that period of time...

Like did you miss the citadels floating around somehow?
New ui elements and stuff like the radial menu that have literally changed how the game is played?
Completely new class of ships the command destroyer along with its own unique module?

Like is your day to day playtime just staring at a rock or something?

Art of Explosions
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2016-09-06 09:09:14 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
As I already said, I'm quite new to this game so even the 10 years old content is a new content for me.

I'm playing for 10 months, I saw almost nothing new actually during that period of time...

Like did you miss the citadels floating around somehow?
New ui elements and stuff like the radial menu that have literally changed how the game is played?
Completely new class of ships the command destroyer along with its own unique module?

Like is your day to day playtime just staring at a rock or something?



Citadel floating? Exactly the same thing already existing ( a base )...

New UI elements? my god, I've never saw any other game doing something so amazing, revolutionary I would say...

That command destroyers, those it's the only thing I miss and maybe is interesting but I am not expert to think about piloting something like that so far.

Staring at rocks is what I think half of players do because "professions" are another thing that are managed in an embarassing way, so most do semi-afk mining in hisec to gain some isks while chatting or watching tv or playing on consoles,but I don't do mining much, only 1/10 of my time, while 80% is exporation and another 10% factional warfare.
Solecist Project
#78 - 2016-09-06 10:43:16 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
And your answers are the proof developers can confortably keep giving you almost nothing because there are some players that are always defending them instead of asking them to do more.

So they can add skins to sell, make that alpha clones, advertize plexes for you to buy and give you some mindless grinding "events" ( totally the contrary of sandbox you always empty talk about ) you will spend thousand of repetitive hours.

I would say wake up and begin to be demanding customers if you want to really save this game his brutal decline...

That's a good post.

Too bad people grew too "fat" and lazy to see their own responsibilities.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2016-09-06 11:18:59 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Also @ Lucy

Legion you have to pay for and you still need to pay a sub

How much money have you spent on expansions or content updates since you started eve?


To try different things in-game at a decent level without waiting years and without using ultra-expensive injectors I've spent around 600 euros, for having 4 accounts paid for the next year.

much much more than what I've spent for WoW honestly

But I'm not criticizing it, it's not a problem to spend some money for a game if you play it much ( and I play Eve quite much ), the problem is that I see very very few new interesting contents and much advertising where it's clear Developers want player to only spend real money for futile things or to buy isks in-game.

I don't like their attitude at all.
TheVirus32
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2016-09-06 11:35:41 UTC
It might sound weird but i DO want CCP to profit... And I don't want the devs to be treated like slaves just for my own amusement.

If EvE is a good investment then we won't have to worry about the game dying - and I don't know about you but I love my internet spaceships.

CCP is hardening the **** up and trying to come up with new ideas to bring new players into the game, and that's fine by me.
The only thing I fear is bad implementation (and they are notorious for being full of fail in that department), that could ruin everything, otherwise I don't care. More newbros is good news.

Also, AUR items are not that different from PLEX, players buy them either for their own enjoyment or to sell on the market. It's just another way to pay $ for ISK, nothing new under new eden's thousands of suns.