Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hy CCP and friends,

I think its a bitter need to overhaul the Hauling System in Eve.

Actually if you want a transport you look whats your stuff worth and setup a contract with your destination adding it a Collateral and what you are willing to pay and then you wait.

The hauler has to take the risc. for lousy 10 mio isk he will give YOU as you have set up the contract a Collateral fee of maybe 1 billion isk AND the worth of his own ship. Will he ? No chance of knowing how much the package he gets from you really is worth, not knowing whats up ? Nonsense. Some beginners will and some noobs will and some people who just do it besides their main stuff. due to there is really no corect relationship between what the freigt is worth , the risk and the isk.

A good planned gank on the other hand based on such a package would not only bring the stuff that can be taken from the freight, the rest of the freighter but also an absolute secure 1 billion isk cash as collateral to buy new shiny ganking ships.

This is aweful for gankers and horror to haulers.

Why not doing a job on this. lets say you want to send your stuff to a place somewhere in eve. isnt it YOUR stuff ?
So if you think it could be lost , why not pay an INSURANCE (like ship insurance) that guarantees you a payment of 10,30 ---90% maybe like the ship insurance system if you really think you need it ?

AND why does a gank of a courier package bring out the materials while the ship burns down to nothing ?
Just to show what i mean. If there was an insurance system on freight. Then there would be maybe a business of getting all kinds of contracts and breaking them or if that does not work self sacrifiing ones ship and then taking the valuable stuff out of the drop. All nothing that could help with the transport issues in eve.

so the drop should be anohter way round. for example , ship parts , ship modules or maybe a max 10 % from the freight that burned with the ship. that should orientate on the worth of the ship that does the transport + cargo. not so predictable as it is just now.

So... remove collateral? I'll just steal everything, or shove it into a max cargo T1 hauler, warp to a safe, and self destruct.

If you're not good enough to be comfortable with risking such high amounts of isk for the reward offered, then don't take those contracts and let someone like Red Frog do it instead.

DOn't like the pay of hauling...don't do it. Just died for a lousy 10 mil?.....you signed up for that.



Or if you must haul...join red frog. Its what many use vice waiting for randoms to pick our stuff up. I know....I want to be solo. There seems to be some support systems in red frog. have seen (and been in) 0.0 crews faliscade from heavy losses. Yet there is red frog, still alive and well. They must be doing things right to not die in droves every day to stay viable.

Don´t like hauling. Then do something else and stop posting nonsence here.

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This would be a nice hover over feature when the ship is in space.

+2 of implemented as a hover over.

I think what he's saying is that instead of hauling contracts requiring the hauler to put up an ISK collateral set by the person issuing the contract, that there should be a fee- paid by the contract issuer- for insurance on the shipment. IF the shipment is not delivered, then the insurance pays out to the contract issuer. ( so as for a hauler stealing the cargo, you still get the insurance to allow you to buy replacements. To discourage the hauler from stealing the cargo, how about making it so that if the hauler destroys the courier package- thus failing the order- they are charged by the insurance company for the cost of the payout? ( so basically, if the hauler gets ganked, then the insurance company pays out without charging the hauler. If the hauler steals the cargo, then the hauler is charged.)

One alternative would be to tweak hauling slightly. Specifically, instead of a courier contract creating a courier package which has to be hauled to the destination, how it would work is that the hauler gets the items- as if it was a buy/sell contract- and has an obligation to deliver an identical quantity of those same items at the destination within X number of days. They would not need to be literally the same items- that is, if the contract was to haul 100k of tritium from Jita to Amarr, then the hauler could satisfy the contract either by hauling the items from Jita tro Amarr, or buying 100k trit in Amarr and delivering that, while either selling the Jita trit, or keeping it. The idea is that if a hauler either doesn't want to, or can't, haul the goods the whole way, the contract issuer is still in the same position as if the actual items had been hauled all the way.