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Proposal to change impound mechanics on station, outpost and citadels.

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Nofearion
Destructive Brothers
Fraternity.
#1 - 2016-09-05 01:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nofearion
A proposal to change impound mechanics on station, outpost and citadels.
Currently when a corporation loses and office any items left in the office bays are confiscated and impounded. This can really hurt a small corp. or a large corp. that is trying to make a rebound.
The only game mechanic to get them back is to
1. Dock at Station
2. Pay Impound. then items are delivered to the corp. office hangar bay of your choice

With the advent of citadels the problems with this mechanic is compounded.
It can take years to get things out of impound as you wait for null politics to go your way.
Often for smaller corps the items locked represent a lot hard work, and effort and can be the downfall of a corp that suffers anything from a CEO going afk to an emergency Evac contract that does not get completed. The corp can totally fail before items get returned to the members.
From a diplomatic standpoint, docking rights are one thing, Renting an office is normally out of the question unless you are the one taking the station . A non upgraded Null outpost may only have three offices. Renting one to a stranger just so he can collect assets is just not going to happen. You cannot petition the items to be returned.
My Proposal is this.
1. Items get impounded.
2. The corporation can pay the impound fee remotely without renting an office.
3. Items are then put in the deliveries.
A corp. officer can deliver the items to a chosen pilot and either make arrangements to contract, sell or courier the items. The items will still be in the station and if not accessable will still be Denied access too.
However like items left in a personal hanger - Not impounded.
My argument for this is that Denial of assets is a well used game mechanic. However over the length of time and the fight long over. it can take an unreasonable amount of time to sort out.
Take Citadels, were now at the change of a switch you can deni assets by removing access.
Remote paying of impound and putting items in the Delivery queue will go a long way to help corps clean up their assets, and help some smaller corps keep the fire of hope lite.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2016-09-05 01:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
you don't need to re-rent the office to get the items back you just need to select deliver it either goes into your hanger or market delivers i can't remember witch


EDIT just looked it goes into your hanger
Nofearion
Destructive Brothers
Fraternity.
#3 - 2016-09-05 01:37:36 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you don't need to re-rent the office to get the items back you just need to select deliver it either goes into your hanger or market delivers i can't remember witch

I tried that recently. and yes according the GM you must rent the office in order to pay the impound fee.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2016-09-05 01:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
i literally just did it w/o renting an office


on the office tab there is a relise items button you hit it pay a small fee and boom you get them into your item hanger
Nofearion
Destructive Brothers
Fraternity.
#5 - 2016-09-05 01:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nofearion
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
i literally just did it w/o renting an office


on the office tab there is a release items button you hit it pay a small fee and boom you get them into your item hanger

can you screenshot this?
and under what circumstances.
Does your alliance still control the station?
Are you docked/still allowed to dock in station?

The point of this is mainly aimed at those who cannot dock in station or do not have a clone in station.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#6 - 2016-09-05 02:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
for outposts and claimable stations that is not possible(but denial of assets is a game mechanic with these) for citadels you can have it remotely sent to the nearest LS station using asset recovery from there you may dock and follow my earlier instructions to deliver
Nofearion
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#7 - 2016-09-05 13:10:54 UTC
while I agree the denial of assets is a viable game mechanic, I am not asking for assets to be put somone other than the station of origin. This is only allow to remotely take items out of impound and put in Delivery system.
Nofearion
Destructive Brothers
Fraternity.
#8 - 2016-09-06 09:51:49 UTC
Verified that once docked you do not have to rent an office. Original post will be edited.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#9 - 2016-09-06 11:27:27 UTC
Nofearion wrote:
while I agree the denial of assets is a viable game mechanic, I am not asking for assets to be put somone other than the station of origin. This is only allow to remotely take items out of impound and put in Delivery system.



wait if you cant get to them what is the difference?
Brut D'or
Esernyo
#10 - 2016-09-07 05:49:18 UTC
Nofearion wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
i literally just did it w/o renting an office


on the office tab there is a release items button you hit it pay a small fee and boom you get them into your item hanger

can you screenshot this?
and under what circumstances.
Does your alliance still control the station?
Are you docked/still allowed to dock in station?

The point of this is mainly aimed at those who cannot dock in station or do not have a clone in station.


I'm in a station with impounded corp assets and 0 available offices.

The only button on the Offices tab is "Rent Office" which asks me to pay the fee then tells me there are no offices.
Nofearion
Destructive Brothers
Fraternity.
#11 - 2016-09-09 09:17:27 UTC
I had the same issue, If you are able to sort standings the tab appears.

Denial of assets while good for some entities over a short term, is not healthy long term. ]
I know of players who played for years and now one reason they are not playing is because of Denial of assets due to one player going inactive and not completing courier contracts. When this happens and corp contracts fail going back to a station with no office. they get impounded.
the New Citadels compounds this issue as it can happen at the click of a button and there is no safety mechanic other than to blow up the Citadel. Not viable for small operations.
I'm Not looking for EVE on easy, Like the statement says Items will still be in station.
being able to pay impound and deliver items remotely open other opportunities to backroom deals, Ransom and other methods but at least there will be a way that is viable.