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Stop high sec ganking/pve only option

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Wimzy Chent-Shi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2016-09-03 16:26:53 UTC
I thought carebears can afford to plex sub, what do they pay for then?
If you fly 6 bil thing in highsec, someone finds out and it isn't foolproof tanked, you are gonna have a bad time.

On other hand I agree that there is no real defense against HS ganking:

What is the person who knows he is getting ganked to do?
For instance imagine you fly a marauder for missions (yes 60+ days training wasted cause tengu does it better etc.) so your ship is at least a bil.

Do you dock up 4ever?
Set up a not so shiny bait?
Hire an army of ECM peeps to keep you safe once you are potentially alphaed faster than an ewar would tick?

Still you are going to die, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, and that feeling of inevitability is strange, ofc if they do not overwhelm you, you win. great, but since the numbers are not going to be issue especially post F2P I mean, you can only make them lose more, but you will still lose out in the end if you break.

Come get some cancer @ my blog !

"This clash of opinions is like cutting onions. We are creating something here, that's productive, ...and then there is also salt." -Wimzy 2016
Solecist Project
#42 - 2016-09-03 16:35:38 UTC
Wimzy Chent-Shi wrote:
Still you are going to die, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it

This is called "Life" and EVE ONLINE mimics it thoroughly.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2016-09-03 17:07:23 UTC
Sounds like the OP needs to join one of the noob friendly alliances to properly learn the game

ganking is an integral part of the game.

knowing how to survive it is a must.

1. dont fly what you cant afford to lose
2. if in null sec have many jump clones so if hell camped just jump clone out and carry on with your business
3. if joining a corp in null use the intel channels and always keep local open in a seperate window

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#44 - 2016-09-03 17:19:06 UTC
I'm simultaneously impressed and saddened at how many people fell for this bait thread
Solecist Project
#45 - 2016-09-03 17:38:06 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I'm simultaneously impressed and saddened at how many people fell for this bait thread

Why do you think it is?

I'm curious. I'm not spotting any of the usual things.
It seems thorough from top to bottom.


What gave it away?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2016-09-03 18:02:39 UTC
Bubba Freedom wrote:
I see no reason why a player that wants to run missions in high should be ganked.

1. Because usually mission runners have loads of juicy faction/deadspace/officer mods, which means mad money if they drop.
2. Because it's fun.
There you go, 2 reasons right there.

Bubba Freedom wrote:
Came back to game a couple months ago and have lost 6 billion isk to high sec idiots/ null sec trolls.

If they're idiots then how did you die to them? Why didn't you just outsmart them? As for the nullsec 'trolls' if you go into nullsec of course you're going to be shot at.

Bubba Freedom wrote:
If a new player can't do anything in either place, then even going free to play is not going to stop the bleed of players. The community is not policing itself as originally intended.

Newbies aren't really worth ganking. It's not like you're permanently banned from any space just because there are gankers there, just git gud and tank your ship and maintain situational awareness. Newbies will either learn this or die.

Bubba Freedom wrote:
If we're going to go free to play, why not add a pve only option finally. Safety could be expanded to make it so that players with a green safety can't be locked by other players not at war with them. This might be one of the best things if implemented to bring players back. Could make it a subscription only option and make it even more worth it to subscribe to the game.

Get out.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bubba Freedom
Doomheim
#47 - 2016-09-03 18:26:27 UTC
Wimzy Chent-Shi wrote:
I thought carebears can afford to plex sub, what do they pay for then?
If you fly 6 bil thing in highsec, someone finds out and it isn't foolproof tanked, you are gonna have a bad time.

On other hand I agree that there is no real defense against HS ganking:

What is the person who knows he is getting ganked to do?
For instance imagine you fly a marauder for missions (yes 60+ days training wasted cause tengu does it better etc.) so your ship is at least a bil.

Do you dock up 4ever?
Set up a not so shiny bait?
Hire an army of ECM peeps to keep you safe once you are potentially alphaed faster than an ewar would tick?

Still you are going to die, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, and that feeling of inevitability is strange, ofc if they do not overwhelm you, you win. great, but since the numbers are not going to be issue especially post F2P I mean, you can only make them lose more, but you will still lose out in the end if you break.


that is what i'm talking about. Actually no I'd rather be out fighting them. The only reason this became a bait thread was because no one could have the maturity to address it with other than it's your fault. Yes there are things you can do to avoid ganks, I do them all, ask the guy that spent two hours hunting me in low yesterday, the issue is in high, and the fact that the way people have addressed this thread just goes to show how much of an issue it is. Yes you can sneak up and kill the high sec mission runner or miner, but it's high sec, and you are just showing how much of a douche you are when you do it, not to mention players can't play when they are losing ships left and right for no reason other than you want to get your kicks. This is the player attitude that needs to change. I don't fly T2 ships, they would make my life easier, can't afford them due to recent losses/covering other new player's losses. As stated before, other than someone getting their kicks killing someone because they can, there is no reason for high sec ganking other than war, and then that's war and expected. I do however appreciate the few constructive elements that have tried to address the issue. I even appreciate the gankers that have come out, as much nonconstructive and showing your douche side as you've done.
Solecist Project
#48 - 2016-09-03 18:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Players aren't losing ships to gankers left and right.

Your opinion about the reasons why others gank are irrelevant ...
... as it's not your business, and ...
... if you can't come up with any, then you should ask yourself WHY ...
... because others can and they are actually nicer people than you.

You are not a good person.
Gankers aren't all bad people.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
FT Cold
FT Cold Corporation
#49 - 2016-09-03 19:21:26 UTC
Ganking has taken a lot of nerfs over the years. Players have gotten a lot of new tools and much better learned to cope with ganking. I think its time to give it a buff, slightly increase concord response time (maybe 25%) to offset the EHP buff all ships got because of the structure resist change and re-institute insurance payoffs for ganking ships. Make highsec interesting. Also, allow players to wardec other players directly, so that hiding in NPC corps is no longer possible.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#50 - 2016-09-03 20:28:39 UTC
EVE is a scary place.
It would be incredibly boring if it weren't a scary place.

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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#51 - 2016-09-04 05:10:44 UTC
I haven't seen a lot of the anti-ganking crowd in this thread, except SP and I always suspect she is just trolling us but the OP is the reason we exist. Exterminating people like him is the exact reason the New Order was formed and also the exact reason we still are laboring out in the gank fields as they seem to be infinite in number.

The OP and his kind will kill Eve. Even our erstwhile opponents can see that. You may not like us but consider the alternative.

Kill all the carebears. Repeatedly and without mercy.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Lugh Crow-Slave
#52 - 2016-09-04 05:33:34 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I'm simultaneously impressed and saddened at how many people fell for this bait thread


Many of us have nothing better to do

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Jasmine Deer
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-09-04 06:50:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Deer
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
Bubba Freedom wrote:
The community is not policing itself as intended.
Doesn't that mean this is your fault?



You think with all the mind-numbing high sec isk grinding I have to go through every month in order to earn a Plex to have another free month of pointless gameplay I actually have time to engage in community policing? Sheesh.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2016-09-04 08:01:59 UTC
You do not need to stop high sec ganking rather you need it to have some drawbacks. It currently does not.

When freighters came out you needed about 100 battleships to kill one. Thats 10 billion in hulls and fit at the time (battleships were much cheaper hulls).

Now you only need a 30 destroyers at about 300 mill.

When you suicided the frieghter you got a massive hit and grinding it up was not hard but a lot harder than it is now.

So all in all it was not worth doing except where the ship was carrying very valuable loot. That was called balance.

If you do a search of Baltec1s killboard, the last time he ganked with Goons they killed 16 ships, of those 16 14 were freighters and of those 14 13 were empty.

Thats what you called imbalanced. When its worthwhile to gank empty freighters for lols.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Lugh Crow-Slave
#55 - 2016-09-04 08:27:05 UTC
amazingly with a bit of logi and a booster if you do fail and get caught you can still make it take an amazing number of ABC in order to kill your freighter through the reps before concord shows. (ofc again you should not even be getting caught)


oh i forgot freighters are the capital that shouldn't need support silly me

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#56 - 2016-09-04 08:48:06 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I just trow in some blatant lies here to provoke a reaction

Well done, you should become a politician.

Evil RatKid
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2016-09-04 09:42:33 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I just trow in some blatant lies here to provoke a reaction

Well done, you should become a politician.

Lol when I get home ill link the thread discussing ganking the first freighter.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Carela Loki
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#58 - 2016-09-04 11:20:55 UTC
simple answer: no

reason: because it would break eve
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#59 - 2016-09-04 12:22:21 UTC
Did the original poster create 3 new accounts to give himself 3 thumbs up?

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
Dornier Pfeil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-09-04 17:30:59 UTC
Bubba Freedom wrote:
I see no reason why a player that wants to run missions in high should be ganked. Came back to game a couple months ago and have lost 6 billion isk to high sec idiots/ null sec trolls. If a new player can't do anything in either place, then even going free to play is not going to stop the bleed of players. The community is not policing itself as originally intended. If we're going to go free to play, why not add a pve only option finally. Safety could be expanded to make it so that players with a green safety can't be locked by other players not at war with them. This might be one of the best things if implemented to bring players back. Could make it a subscription only option and make it even more worth it to subscribe to the game.


There is a game out there exactly like what you want. Why did you choose to play EvE instead?
Now that I've shown you that other game, why would you continue to play EvE. If you stay now, with forethought, then you are default choosing ganking over safety. Live with it.