EVE General Discussion

Personally i am excited at the introduction of the clones. At work i asked some younger guys who also game alot, i was excited and hoped they would finally start playing eve. Their answer was however they flet they where years behind too other players who fly way cooler stuff, a gap they would never close. For them, since they have a job it was not money. Grnated thye might get hooked like i did by the free account, but they where not gonna try. ( i might force them or threatehn to fire them lol)

It seems to me there are 2 major distractions. One being the money, and the other the skilgap. This curent one is the easiest the fill, the least controversial, and gets mostly positive feedback. I am aplauding on the sideline hard. I hope its enough, and not to little to late. I dream of floods and hordes off new players breaking down all current structures and alliegiances.

For example So what if you woudl take the concept further. Your omega clone straight away unlocks and fills too the minimum required level all racial skills for that toon of one race. This happens when you transfer your clone from alpha too omega. IN theory you could quickly fly a bs, or titan. You woudl lack support skills and higer levels , except the onces Needed, and weapons systems woudl still require time, as so crosstraining. You could consider stopping this at the capital level. Occasional adding titans and supers for marketing purpose, this month only, update your alpha and get titan skill unlocked.

Ofc Current players would complain as they invested time, money and injectors to achieve the same. So they get thier sp and books isk back the new guy gets for free in their race, not crosstrained. They can apply them too other fields of expertiece, and through this also benefiting form this second big change too push eve into another decade and keep it there. I am sure a curretn titan player doesnt mind getting his titan book isk back.

It has a additional spin off that players would see the benefit of mutiple accounts, as you could limit this feature too one toon per account. Or you open a second toon with the feature with a plex on same account, like training now on second toon.

It would close the gap that would keep people away from quitting the alpha state, cause they would be years form flying with the big boys on thier opinion. The current player gets rewarded for his investments by alot of free sp, making it possible for him to unlock alot of ships, weapons and so on.

Align both up, first alpha, then racial unlocked and filled omega's and i think the chance i can play in 10 years woudl incrrade, and the guys at my work woudl fly with me. Current players coudl easier get their frends in, at the same level, not as meat shield.

Its a rought idea outline, a opinion of a further push, and with the return for current players it might be a midway to not **** people off and yet give new players a real chance, not a half ass one. Its a fact the sp gap also deters people from pikking up eve.
And lets be honest, eve is so not about skills, i am sure any good corp or allaince can dunka new player in a titan. Its about experience, resiliance, organisation, building your network, and not giving a **** about your loss. So lets opne it up. There would be alot to train to make a difference, but give them a shot atleast.

Also: http://i.imgur.com/gb6SjSq.gif

This will be good for a ton of whine posts when all that money evaporates in shiny explosions these new players invested their plex in.

I remember the OP used to post more often ...
... and this is a solution in need of a problem.

Hell why stop there? Why not just give everyone all the things? No one has to try to get anything, because it's all already there. We may as well just play on Thunderdome where we can just spawn what we want when we want it.

The skill gap is the biggest lie anyone ever told, and CCP did no one any favors when they introduced skill extractors.

Think they are apprehensive now? Wait til they find out they'll be 24/7 camped by alts that don't fight, but only sit there waiting for a blobbertunity. Meaning they have no options but to sit in station or cloak (which free accounts cannot do).

Even with defense they'll still die doing anything if the alts know they can risk free kill them in some orthurus and cynabal.

Wasn't this guy CSM?

/Shakes Head

Wow, you're right!
THAT'S where i recognize the name from!
Gee, you're the only one who remembers! :D


Well I guess then breaking it apart is the better option.


"Personally i am excited at the introduction of the clones. At work i asked some younger guys who also game alot, i was excited and hoped they would finally start playing eve. Their answer was however they flet they where years behind too other players who fly way cooler stuff, a gap they would never close."


The argument is noted, but irrelevant.
It's also horribly blind to think that's how it works and makes me wonder if you're trolling.

Does he also ask for double-moves in chess?
The skillqueue and skillbook system serves as time-waster and patience-trainer
"Use and do what you can until you can use or do something else."

Your friend's issue is time invested, which is an actually important part of the game.
Or, in other words, he's driven by lower instincts and just wants it all, best at day one.
(Oh nono, ofc not, just a few things and not THAT many)



"It seems to me there are 2 major distractions. One being the money, and the other the skilgap. This curent one is the easiest the fill, the least controversial, and gets mostly positive feedback. I am aplauding on the sideline hard. I hope its enough, and not to little to late. I dream of floods and hordes off new players breaking down all current structures and alliegiances."

Hordes of unorganized morons who lack patience and intellect.
You know, the vast majority of people who will come to try.



"For example So what if you woudl take the concept further. Your omega clone straight away unlocks and fills too the minimum required level all racial skills for that toon of one race. This happens when you transfer your clone from alpha too omega. IN theory you could quickly fly a bs, or titan. You woudl lack support skills and higer levels , except the onces Needed, and weapons systems woudl still require time, as so crosstraining. You could consider stopping this at the capital level. Occasional adding titans and supers for marketing purpose, this month only, update your alpha and get titan skill unlocked."

At this point am i convinced that you're a fluidgender.
No offense.



"Ofc Current players would complain as they invested time, money and injectors to achieve the same. So they get thier sp and books isk back the new guy gets for free in their race, not crosstrained. They can apply them too other fields of expertiece, and through this also benefiting form this second big change too push eve into another decade and keep it there. I am sure a curretn titan player doesnt mind getting his titan book isk back."

And here i see that you never actually spent any time on thinking longer about this and what else this would cause. We're talking about collectively hundreds of billions of sp here, which you want everyone to use as they see fit.

How did you become CSM?
You want to turn EVE ONLINE into an arcade game for instant gratification types ...
... who couldn't have a conscious thought even if their lives depended on it!




"It would close the gap that would keep people away from quitting the alpha state, cause they would be years form flying with the big boys on thier opinion. The current player gets rewarded for his investments by alot of free sp, making it possible for him to unlock alot of ships, weapons and so on. "


It's not even out and you already make assumptions about people quitting.
The gap you're imagining does not exist.
You can google that and make yourself smarter.


I'm not even mad.

It's amazing that you got on the CSM ...
... or scary. Really scary...


Anyway, 0/10

I have heard from different people of that skill gap mythos. Those people are interested in eve but never played it. And because of the IDEA that you cannot fill the gap, they do not try eve online.

An idea is a very mighty thing and it is really frustrating to tell people again and again that a lot of skill points means nothing and that only those few skill points for the current situation matter.

For me it seems that this fact is not really visible for people and so they do not start trying the game.

Unfortunately I have no clue what can be done to improve this. :(

That's a good idea!






Excellent point and a good thing to point out to people who won't play EvE because "they could never catch up".