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Every year, there are less users playing, why??

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Solecist Project
#1601 - 2016-08-23 18:21:53 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Viktor Amarr wrote:
Sunshyn LaBlond wrote:
So much for us players having any meaningful impact on the sandbox.


"Other people do better in this sandbox than me, mostly because they put in more effort. This clearly shows that the sandbox is wrong!".





So you're just here to troll others rather than adding to the discussion or coming up with any meaningful suggestions?

But what's new, you're doing it on several threads atm.....

Wow I'm in your signature!
Just yesterday I wondered when that'll happen again!
It's been at least a year since the last time!

Thank you, I really feel honoured. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1602 - 2016-08-23 19:23:04 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
Sunshyn LaBlond wrote:
As long as CCP continues to force terrible mechanics on us, and allow RMT'ers and gambling site owners to dominate the game, it's going to be a hard sell to get anyone interested in playing.

Cause a gambling site owner that financed a major war, has any influence on the common EvE player just flying around space doing some pew. /sarcasm

That post of yours stink of jealousy.

It might be because he is not happy with being 'common EVE player just flying around space doing some pew'.

Then he should probably put some effort into not being the 'common EvE player flying around space doing some pew'. It's a sandbox. In EvE there is no 'grind to lvl100, roll some legends and roflstomp some puppies, while the whole server is in awe of your e-peen'.

It's like how people want to be rich and famous in real life, but doesn't really want to put in any effort and then they blame the 'system' cause they cannot achieve their goal.

But again, it's so much easier just to ask for nerfs and stuff instead of putting in some effort.

If you mean 'everyone should get his own out-of-game casino' then i don't like it (hint: read all the quotes and not only the last).

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#1603 - 2016-09-01 18:16:33 UTC
it seems like the new games that come out are getting simpler and simpler ... eve is an old game .. some of the older games were/are alot harder to play. kinda like how everquest was to warcraft ...

BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1604 - 2016-09-01 22:36:24 UTC
The main reason that less people are playing is very simple. They aren't logging on anymore...
Dwai Attic
TheAtticKo
#1605 - 2016-09-01 23:18:34 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
The main reason that less people are playing is very simple. They aren't logging on anymore...


Oh really? Groundbreaking observation Shocked

Since we're going F2P numbers will be up again...

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Kharamete
Royal Assent
#1606 - 2016-09-02 03:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kharamete
The gist of too many conversations I've seen...

New Player: Hey guys, I just joined! This game looks awesome! What do I do?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: What’s a Venture?
NPC Corp: Idiot. Noob.
NP: So, what do I do?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: But I saw this ad. You could go out there, and fight with hundreds of players!
NPC Corp: You’re useless as a newbie. They’ll never accept you. The ads lie. You can never catch up.
NP: But then what do I DO?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: Mine? [Two weeks later] Mining? This is it? **** this. ESO has gone free to play, I think.

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Elinarien
Doomheim
#1607 - 2016-09-02 08:41:04 UTC
Kharamete wrote:
The gist of too many conversations I've seen...

New Player: Hey guys, I just joined! This game looks awesome! What do I do?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: What’s a Venture?
NPC Corp: Idiot. Noob.
NP: So, what do I do?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: But I saw this ad. You could go out there, and fight with hundreds of players!
NPC Corp: You’re useless as a newbie. They’ll never accept you. The ads lie. You can never catch up.
NP: But then what do I DO?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: Mine? [Two weeks later] Mining? This is it? **** this. ESO has gone free to play, I think.


Probably happens already with the 30 day trials.
Serene Repose
#1608 - 2016-09-02 11:10:30 UTC
Anybody run the numbers on players coming back?
We do that with other body counts - birth/death ratio?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Valkorsia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1609 - 2016-09-02 12:38:09 UTC
Very simply.

There's nothing sexual in the game. Sexuality is a big part of life, and it is non-existent in a game of life and death ... and Eve has even managed to nerf my nipples. Do you see nipples anywhere? No. It's ridiculous.

#Freethenipple
Solecist Project
#1610 - 2016-09-02 17:38:31 UTC
Valkorsia wrote:
Very simply.

There's nothing sexual in the game. Sexuality is a big part of life, and it is non-existent in a game of life and death ... and Eve has even managed to nerf my nipples. Do you see nipples anywhere? No. It's ridiculous.

#Freethenipple

First: Nipples aren't a thing because of the US market. I have no source for that except the very fact that nipples cause an outrage of a miniature fragment of the population of the US, thus everyone has to suffer for it. (Think about this for a minute)

Second: you actually have no idea. I mean, sure, when it comes to generic avatar pics you're right... untilyou start using pain.net, which is free and amazingly capable. And there is a literal gigantic ****-ton of people who are within all shades from proper erotic roleplaying to disgusting cybersex. The pic exchange is real. So. *******. Real. It's amazing! lol

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#1611 - 2016-09-02 17:40:06 UTC
And it's ...

So
So
*******
Profitable!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
VicturusTeSaluto
Abyssal Nanofibre Internal Structure
People Assaulting People in Space.
#1612 - 2016-09-03 00:01:11 UTC
No. I used to get a 90 day GTC for far far less than the cost of 1 plex. If I knew that CCP was going to be introducing plex I probably would have brought years of game time back in the day! However, looking back now just working 1 extra shift would pay many accounts for an entire year so no worries.

Instead the problem is that CCP has focused for a decade on making sure that every change is based around making combat less likely to occur and has been trying to go after noobs in frigs(fw)/casual high sec players etc... As a result the gameplay deteriorated for the core players, especially in low sec.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1613 - 2016-09-03 07:47:32 UTC
Kharamete wrote:
The gist of too many conversations I've seen...

New Player: Hey guys, I just joined! This game looks awesome! What do I do?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: What’s a Venture?
NPC Corp: Idiot. Noob.
NP: So, what do I do?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: But I saw this ad. You could go out there, and fight with hundreds of players!
NPC Corp: You’re useless as a newbie. They’ll never accept you. The ads lie. You can never catch up.
NP: But then what do I DO?
NPC Corp: If you skill for the Venture you can mine and make isk.
NP: Mine? [Two weeks later] Mining? This is it? **** this. ESO has gone free to play, I think.



After about 10 days of skill training you can start ganking freighters with CODE. They could join Eve Uni. They could look into joining Brave, Karmafleet, or other alliances/corps geared towards new players.

But no, you keep telling him to go mine in a venture. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Serene Repose
#1614 - 2016-09-03 09:11:34 UTC
Start ganking with CODE? Wouldn't it take more than ten days to totally lose ones self-esteem, or is this idea for those who come to us already in the self-loathing mode? Where did I put that pesky sig....

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#1615 - 2016-09-03 14:34:19 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
After about 10 days of skill training you can start ganking freighters with CODE. They could join Eve Uni. They could look into joining Brave, Karmafleet, or other alliances/corps geared towards new players.

But no, you keep telling him to go mine in a venture. Roll


You can do more than that. I immediately joined RvB with my first account and got into PvP. Two months into the game I was living in null. I've always loved exploration (and I mean actually exploring the universe, not hacking data/relic sites) so I set up a business scouting for trading runs. It might sound boring now, but to a new player, exploring and scouting dangerous, enemy filled space was extremely exciting, and I made a lot of ISK in thank you donations on the side.
Laufey Sif Tetseldottir
Blue Lagoon Appreciation Society
#1616 - 2016-09-04 01:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Laufey Sif Tetseldottir
Because CCP does not deliver ?

Walk in Station
Atmospheric Flight
Planet exploration
Comet mining
Asteroid exploration/Archeology by walking
Drug dealing in station
etc etc

Anyone remember that Minecraft redstone on a POS picture showed at random fanfest ?

Probably it's a part of the problem.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1617 - 2016-09-04 02:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Laufey Sif Tetseldottir wrote:
Because CCP does not deliver ?

Walk in Station
Atmospheric Flight
Planet exploration
Comet mining
Asteroid exploration/Archeology by walking
Drug dealing in station
etc etc

Anyone remember that Minecraft redstone on a POS picture showed at random fanfest ?

Probably it's a part of the problem.

Anybody with half a brain should have been able to tell many years ago that none of the things you just listed is even remotely feasible using EVE's code - you would have to re-design the game from the ground up to put any of them in in a way that wouldn't be utter ****.

Look at the *controls* for walking in stations, for example - would you really want to have *meaningful* walking in stations (combat/etc) with *those* controls?

Or the massive lag in response time when flying in first person due to the 1 second server tick delay on every action...Would you *really* want to try to navigate within a planetary atmosphere through that?

Even comet mining - mining ships could never keep up with anything that could possibly be considered a "comet" flying through space... And even if they could you'd first have to scan it, track it, warp to its old position, and catch up to it before you could even start mining... It is just a silly idea.

I mean come on - sure CCP is stupid to keep promising things they could never possibly deliver - but at some point you are also just an idiot for being sucked in by the empty hype.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Laufey Sif Tetseldottir
Blue Lagoon Appreciation Society
#1618 - 2016-09-04 12:21:13 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Laufey Sif Tetseldottir wrote:
Because CCP does not deliver ?

Walk in Station
Atmospheric Flight
Planet exploration
Comet mining
Asteroid exploration/Archeology by walking
Drug dealing in station
etc etc

Anyone remember that Minecraft redstone on a POS picture showed at random fanfest ?

Probably it's a part of the problem.

Anybody with half a brain should have been able to tell many years ago that none of the things you just listed is even remotely feasible using EVE's code - you would have to re-design the game from the ground up to put any of them in in a way that wouldn't be utter ****.

Look at the *controls* for walking in stations, for example - would you really want to have *meaningful* walking in stations (combat/etc) with *those* controls?

Or the massive lag in response time when flying in first person due to the 1 second server tick delay on every action...Would you *really* want to try to navigate within a planetary atmosphere through that?

Even comet mining - mining ships could never keep up with anything that could possibly be considered a "comet" flying through space... And even if they could you'd first have to scan it, track it, warp to its old position, and catch up to it before you could even start mining... It is just a silly idea.

I mean come on - sure CCP is stupid to keep promising things they could never possibly deliver - but at some point you are also just an idiot for being sucked in by the empty hype.



So everybody have to be a ******* software engineer to be able to discuss ?
All I see whatever the technical requirement is that CCP promises some gameplay features, some new content, that they never delivered.
I don't know what's doable or not, and I don't care, if CCP told me, what about this features ? you will have this, you will do this, I think they know what they are talking about cause that's their job, not mine.

And the fact that I could have been sucked into some empty hype is not the issue, CCP not delivering is still a part of the problem.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1619 - 2016-09-04 12:43:36 UTC
Laufey Sif Tetseldottir wrote:
So everybody have to be a ******* software engineer to be able to discuss ?
All I see whatever the technical requirement is that CCP promises some gameplay features, some new content, that they never delivered.
I don't know what's doable or not, and I don't care, if CCP told me, what about this features ? you will have this, you will do this, I think they know what they are talking about cause that's their job, not mine.

And the fact that I could have been sucked into some empty hype is not the issue, CCP not delivering is still a part of the problem.

To be fair they've been more reasonable with their promises for the past few years here - I don't think anything you listed was proposed *recently* was it?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1620 - 2016-09-04 15:01:13 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Laufey Sif Tetseldottir wrote:
So everybody have to be a ******* software engineer to be able to discuss ?
All I see whatever the technical requirement is that CCP promises some gameplay features, some new content, that they never delivered.
I don't know what's doable or not, and I don't care, if CCP told me, what about this features ? you will have this, you will do this, I think they know what they are talking about cause that's their job, not mine.

And the fact that I could have been sucked into some empty hype is not the issue, CCP not delivering is still a part of the problem.

To be fair they've been more reasonable with their promises for the past few years here - I don't think anything you listed was proposed *recently* was it?


Yes but people have gotten really comfortable with hitting CCP with that stick. What kind of sociopathic griefer would ask them to stop it just because CCP have changed their ways?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016