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I totally agree on the watchlist. I had a whole bunch of enemy super pilots etc and the random tengu who I ran out of PLEX who logged off in space and I'm waiting for him to come back online so I can try to kill him...

And I know that other people did the same to me so it was perfectly balanced that way.

I don't think anyone considers it as an entitlement since it's within the mechanics of game play. What CCP wants is to change the mechanics of game play under a "risk versus reward" idea but after reading the dev blog there is no reward for boosting miners. With the November update mining boosts will need to be on grid, right?

What it means:

- "Shooting" boosts to fleet mates will make you go suspect and/or get an aggression timer. CCP has yet to address this per their published information.

- "Shooting" boosts could make you vulnerable to neutrals outside your fleet since it flags you with a suspect/aggression timer since "shooting" is considered combat.

- No word on whether or not high-sec boosters could end up getting CONCORD'ed if fleet members are outside the organization that's providing boosts; for example "Corp 1" is providing boosts to that corp, but now that character "shoots" someone in an NPC corporation to provide fleet boosts to them.

- Information is inaccurate or incomplete about what the attributes are for the new boosts compared to the current boosts.




This is exactly the issue in a nutshell. Putting a ship on the field that cannot defend itself has no reward and is 100% risk, and I ask that someone show me where the reward is for doing this.


What I would like to see done with boosts and how to handle them going forward.

Mining boosts are not combat boost, and combat boosts are not logi boosts. If CCP wants to update boosts that's fine, but what I'm arguing for is a definite separation of boosts and treat them accordingly:

- Logi boosts should fall under Logistics.

- Mining boosts should fall under either Mining or Industrial skills

- Combat boosts should fall under a combat oriented skill set, or let them remain where they are under the current skill tree and separate Logi/Mining from Combat.

'an entire mining fleet'?

I've seen upwards of 50-60 procurers in the same bunch of rocks. No, 3 T3Ds and a Logifrig can't even hope to kill that before the drones eat the logifrig alive, and then start on the T3Ds.

Without going into a ton of detail which would be wasted deep in a thread.

Why not add a new module called "Industrial Relay" which can be fit to any industrial boost ship (porpoise/orca/rorqual) and allow for relaying of industrial boosts from any Rorqual with an active Industrial Core. At the same time go ahead and remove the ability to boost from within a POS shield and force break tether like all other boosts. Also while we're at it reduce the Industrial Core cycle time to 1 minute and the fuel requirement accordingly.

With this you allow for boosting pilots to avoid sitting directly in warpable anoms/belts for 5 minute intervals; at the same time attaching the burst effect to mobile ships which can move with the mining fleet through large belts without having to turn off the industrial core, slowboat/warp out and back to a new location, and repeat. All this while still leaving enough vulnerability to be caught, but not overly-so for a non-combat activity.



FYI-I'm not exactly changing my stance on my previous post. I'm still against the requirement of the Industrial Core for providing boosts. However, if use of the Industrial Core allowed for the bonus of being able to position anywhere in system and relaying those boosts through other ships with an active Relay Module then I can see a balance being obtained.

considering it went from 0 risk to having risk

This will make for some interesting gameplay as far as combat is concerned, however, claiming it "effects the same type of gameplay" as a reason for a lack of SP refund for fleet skills is a bit of a stretch. You can't honestly say with a straight face that offgrid boosting and ongrid boosting are even in the same ballpark. This idea completely devastates the average eve player using an alt to boost the typical fleet.

I think an SP refund would be prudent, otherwise this whole idea seems to come across as a $$ making gimmick meant to suck funds through skill extractor purchases from the offgrid orca pilots that are extremely prevalent in-game and makes booster alts utterly useless to someone who isn't running multiple monitors.

HERE'S THE DEAL, many of us, probably most of us, have trained leadership skills only to trickle boost to our fleet if we need to. that mechanic is being removed so we should be refunded the sp. plain and simple there is no argument for that period. the other thing is miners/ indy corps out in null specifically are ALWAYS at risk when trying to do there indy thing, billions lost every month in exumers and T1 mining barges, jet cans exploded, PI haulers killed loaded to the brim, JF's killed all the time, ratting carriers, noctice's being used to make rigs. to when i see post about the 0risk to some or 100% risk post, its a load of pvper elitist bullshit that just want shiny KM's. you get them already out in renter space.

this is a great change for combat links i agree even though i use them off grid for pve fun we have in cruisers and such i still agree.

indy links should be preserved off grid, as at its core indy is a pve driven profession. kill my mining ships and indy haulers thats fine been doing it for years, at least leave us off grid boost's there is no reason not to.

I'm sorry but only poorly set up groups are at risk in null. most are safely behind blue eyes (no pun intended) protected snugly by intel channels

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ur right, but that doesnt mean were not at risk, were always at risk regaurdless of intel channels dont be a fool

not currently where your rorq is tucked under the shield of a POS