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Economic tide incoming

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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#1 - 2016-09-02 19:41:36 UTC
Welcome,

Finally CCP is on the god damn move. I am actually happy about this one. Did they really listen and opened flood gates for other regions of the planet? We are yet to confirm.

Let us see the following.

The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming.
People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX. They won't be very much into expensive PLEX but:

This will make a bigger demand for plexes thus rising prices, yet if the real purchase of PLEX from CCP stays the same and the free riders get hands on in game plex mostly, the overall supply will go down driving up the price, as subscription is actually cheaper than PLEX so I speculate that PLEX will indeed rise, the size of rise depends on amount of free subs up for grinding.

We have to consider the fact that if PLEX goes up too much nobody will buy it, even so, if grinding PLEX for free subs is too much they won't buy into PLEX which can actually drive price down. Not considering on other expenses. Of course it will have certain effect on economy but not that big. Surely it depends on how big the flood will be and how viable it will be for players to grind skills and isk for PLEX and game.

Just wait and see the trend. The more people the more exciting. Scam will have new life. Can't wait for that shock of crybabies rushing into forums after feeling EVE in some painful manner. Sadly it won't be as hardcore as it was back in time.

Also many many more things but I will keep it to myself... for business pleasure purposes.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2016-09-02 19:45:07 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Scam will have new life.

I can't wait to see your next one!

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#3 - 2016-09-02 19:53:28 UTC
It won't have a major effect on the price of plex tbh. A lot of people will outright stop buying it for some of their farming accounts. The opposing increase would be a trickle, rather than a flood. Most people don't have what it takes to grind up a plex within a month, nevermind the much slower pace alpha accounts will be chugging at.

Given that, and the daily traded volumes of plex, price trends will remain mostly the same.
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#4 - 2016-09-02 19:57:24 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
It won't have a major effect on the price of plex tbh. A lot of people will outright stop buying it for some of their farming accounts. The opposing increase would be a trickle, rather than a flood. Most people don't have what it takes to grind up a plex within a month, nevermind the much slower pace alpha accounts will be chugging at.

Given that, and the daily traded volumes of plex, price trends will remain mostly the same.


Mil pardon, I meant the long run. You clearly state short run effects. Also grinding corporation that live for small tax of 1 percent will have hordes of those who want to learn how to PLEX.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#5 - 2016-09-02 20:04:51 UTC
What I meant was this will have no discernible effect on the price in the long term. A majority of people that can already get by with simply plexing already do. There are lots of corps that teach their players how to do it. I guess you don't speak Russian, so they're mostly invisible to you though.
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#6 - 2016-09-02 20:16:54 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
What I meant was this will have no discernible effect on the price in the long term. A majority of people that can already get by with simply plexing already do. There are lots of corps that teach their players how to do it. I guess you don't speak Russian, so they're mostly invisible to you though.


I am in RUST, I know exactly what I am talking about. Also, those who will come cannot do it and long run will be slightly differnet than current run but what you described is short run of few years, yet these are not precise just as mine since we are yet to see the flood size.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#7 - 2016-09-02 20:24:36 UTC
Here's the thing. There's not going to be a flood of new subscribers just because of this change. Far from it.

Also lol at your garbage reasoning that you 'just' know what you're talking about. I can pull that too.
Karen Humphrey
#8 - 2016-09-02 20:41:19 UTC
Time for the triple multi boxing cruizer farms!

Karma is going to get you

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#9 - 2016-09-02 21:11:29 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Here's the thing. There's not going to be a flood of new subscribers just because of this change. Far from it.

Also lol at your garbage reasoning that you 'just' know what you're talking about. I can pull that too.


My reasoning was before. This is just constatation of fact, beacuse I say not to boast but to reassure that I know what I talk about unless I don't but that should be propely proven which rarely happens here. Everyone makes mistakes, it is important to acknowledge them.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#10 - 2016-09-02 21:20:18 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Welcome,



The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming.
People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.





I am not sure how this is different from now?

Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-09-02 22:53:08 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Welcome,



The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming.
People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.





I am not sure how this is different from now?

Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex


Like me!!!!!
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#12 - 2016-09-02 23:30:47 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Welcome,



The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming.
People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.





I am not sure how this is different from now?

Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex


That is just too little to be significant.

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#13 - 2016-09-02 23:45:29 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Welcome,



The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming.
People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.





I am not sure how this is different from now?

Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex


That is just too little to be significant.


What is actually changing that will cause more people to do this?
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#14 - 2016-09-03 03:18:29 UTC
When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.

I don't foresee a giant flood of new players joining EVE just because it's free now and actually sticking around. And, I imagine there will be a large initial influx that declines very rapidly. However, I do believe there will be a huuuuuge influx of new accounts created by veteran pilots to take advantage of the reasons for having an alt account mentioned above. I for one will be logging into my 2 deactivated accounts regularly after the changes.

PLEX demand will decrease, PLEX prices will crash, recover, and then quickly decline over the long term to a less than now value norm, after it stabilizes it will again begin to increase over the long term and eventually surpass its current prices.

Just my 2 cents...
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#15 - 2016-09-03 03:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Koniforous wrote:
When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.


An Alpha Clone account's characters can only benefit from Alpha Clone skills, nothing more than the ~5m SP they're allowed will work.

Here are the lists: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RAXCnpI7nzgZxQh31ak1_Eyn5nRSQ_oessmqEHzl0YM/pubhtml
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#16 - 2016-09-03 03:23:22 UTC
The hole in your assessment is that potential deviations from the current sold/bought amounts of plex that would be brought buy the change ar small. So small, in fact, than when measured against the current daily volume, they might as well not be there.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#17 - 2016-09-03 06:08:20 UTC
PLEX prices have dropped 5% since the announcement.
Clearly those that argue for a future all-time high price level are not acting on their own hyperbole.

My channel: "Signatures" -

Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#18 - 2016-09-03 08:04:54 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
Welcome,



The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming.
People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.





I am not sure how this is different from now?

Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex


That is just too little to be significant.


4-6k PLEX per day? So, 2-3k assuming equal distribution for traders, that is not really insignificant.

The volume of injectors per day is also far from insignificant when you do the maths on how many characters are needed to supply it.
William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#19 - 2016-09-03 16:10:55 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.

I don't foresee a giant flood of new players joining EVE just because it's free now and actually sticking around. And, I imagine there will be a large initial influx that declines very rapidly. However, I do believe there will be a huuuuuge influx of new accounts created by veteran pilots to take advantage of the reasons for having an alt account mentioned above. I for one will be logging into my 2 deactivated accounts regularly after the changes.

PLEX demand will decrease, PLEX prices will crash, recover, and then quickly decline over the long term to a less than now value norm, after it stabilizes it will again begin to increase over the long term and eventually surpass its current prices.

Just my 2 cents...


Trump supporter spotted. Lol Very good prognosis because in the long run that is the plan. More expensive PLEX also more viable to buy directly from CCP and not ingame. What do you think?

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#20 - 2016-09-03 16:11:55 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
PLEX prices have dropped 5% since the announcement.
Clearly those that argue for a future all-time high price level are not acting on their own hyperbole.


How can you fall for short-term adjustment shocks?

There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...

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